Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- Subject: Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- From: Filhol Alain via X11-users <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:45:07 +0100
Dear Richard and all of you,
I am a scientist too and I ported to macOS some widely used packages such as
<https://www.ill.eu/sites/fullprof/ <https://www.ill.eu/sites/fullprof/>> (*)
The original code is for Windows and is based on Winteracter
<http://www.winteracter.com <http://www.winteracter.com/>>.
Unfortunately enough Winteracter for Linux/macOS is based on OpenMotif/X11
instead of QT.
While Apple products are very popular in the scientific community, it is true
that Apple does not show much concern about it nowadays.
May be the modern Apple staff is not even aware that this community exists
since they no longer have any direct interaction with it as they used to have
in the past (e.g. program ARTS (Apple Research and Technology Support program)
2009, program MIP (Macintosh Integration Program —> free loan of Apple
hardware) 2010, etc.) Now the interaction is only through resellers such as
Econocom in France.
However, may be we should initiate a group action towards people such as
Michel Sutter <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
Senior Partnership Manager Apple
Worldwide Developer Relations 1 Hanover Street, mail stop 741-RE London
W1S 1YS, UK
He is supposed to be an interface between developers and Apple.
https://mastodon.technology/@bugaevc/101603518023241841
<https://mastodon.technology/@bugaevc/101603518023241841>
We shall contact him, shall we ?
All the best
Alain
(*) I succeeded to notarise both the X11 based application and its DMG but I
never succeeded to publish to the App Store.
> On 5 Jan 2020, at 10:05, Ward, Mark Daniel via X11-users
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> That is really helpful information. Thank you! Nonetheless, there are
> probably quite a few Mac OS X users who choose not to use MacPorts (nor
> Homebrew nor any other package manager). I do build some software from
> source, and I understand that there must be myriad dependencies with
> X11. (Yes, I have spent some time reading about such dependencies and
> the history of the whole X11 saga on Mac OS X. Pretty fascinating!)
>
> I guess I can't help but wonder (out loud here) if some dedicated
> soul(s) on this email list would pick up the work of continuing to make
> an installation .dmg file that matches the convenience of the XQuartz
> installer. Otherwise, realistically speaking, when this .dmg installer
> goes away, we will (admittedly) lose quite a few users from this X11
> community (which is perhaps already a small community).
>
> Speaking for myself (I am a professor whose research relies heavily on
> scientific computing), I would feel very sad if I didn't have X11 on my
> Mac anymore.
>
> I don't know any of the human beings on the X.Org Foundation's Board of
> Directors:
>
> https://www.x.org/wiki/BoardOfDirectors/
>
> but I'm guessing that some of them might subscribe to this list. There
> must be some discussion (for instance) of the path ahead, for those of
> us on Mac OS X who rely X11. For instance, I'm asking a very naive
> question here, but is it possible for Mac OS X folks to somehow take
> advantage of the continued activity in the Wayland / Weston community?
> This community seems to be very active!
>
> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/releases.html
>
> Please forgive me for asking such questions here. I'm not cognizant of
> any behind-the-scenes politics or things like that.... and there might
> be a discussion of this elsewhere. I just don't understand how Mac OS X
> users fit into the continued development from the Wayland / Weston
> community, but it seems relevant to discuss, if the server provided by
> X.Org will go away. I just want to better understand the path forward.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 1/4/20 11:15 PM, Richard L. Hamilton via X11-users wrote:
>> The server in xquartz.org 2.7.11 is "xorg-server 1.18.4 plus other patches"
>>
>> It's a repackaging of what also gets built for MacPorts, but on MacPorts,
>> xorg-server is 1.20.6.
>>
>> In other words, the xquartz.org package doesn't get updated nearly as often
>> as MacPorts. It is of course easier to install, since you just need one
>> package vs installing MacPorts base, and then the xorg-server port (which
>> will automatically install all its dependencies) - and maybe other MacPorts
>> ports as well, if anything is missing then. Some details change, and there's
>> an X11 app vs the Xquartz app; but aside from various directory and file
>> name differences (since one could install both, although would usually just
>> have the launch daemon and launch agent for one enabled), the principles are
>> pretty much the same.
>>
>> Yes, according to reports, the x.org server itself will eventually fade
>> away. But there remain more active updates of it for macOS than what's on
>> xquartz.org.
>>
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