Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- Subject: Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- From: "Ward, Mark Daniel via X11-users" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:05:12 +0000
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- Thread-topic: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Dear Richard,
That is really helpful information. Thank you! Nonetheless, there are
probably quite a few Mac OS X users who choose not to use MacPorts (nor
Homebrew nor any other package manager). I do build some software from
source, and I understand that there must be myriad dependencies with
X11. (Yes, I have spent some time reading about such dependencies and
the history of the whole X11 saga on Mac OS X. Pretty fascinating!)
I guess I can't help but wonder (out loud here) if some dedicated
soul(s) on this email list would pick up the work of continuing to make
an installation .dmg file that matches the convenience of the XQuartz
installer. Otherwise, realistically speaking, when this .dmg installer
goes away, we will (admittedly) lose quite a few users from this X11
community (which is perhaps already a small community).
Speaking for myself (I am a professor whose research relies heavily on
scientific computing), I would feel very sad if I didn't have X11 on my
Mac anymore.
I don't know any of the human beings on the X.Org Foundation's Board of
Directors:
https://www.x.org/wiki/BoardOfDirectors/
but I'm guessing that some of them might subscribe to this list. There
must be some discussion (for instance) of the path ahead, for those of
us on Mac OS X who rely X11. For instance, I'm asking a very naive
question here, but is it possible for Mac OS X folks to somehow take
advantage of the continued activity in the Wayland / Weston community?
This community seems to be very active!
https://wayland.freedesktop.org/releases.html
Please forgive me for asking such questions here. I'm not cognizant of
any behind-the-scenes politics or things like that.... and there might
be a discussion of this elsewhere. I just don't understand how Mac OS X
users fit into the continued development from the Wayland / Weston
community, but it seems relevant to discuss, if the server provided by
X.Org will go away. I just want to better understand the path forward.
Warmest regards,
Mark
On 1/4/20 11:15 PM, Richard L. Hamilton via X11-users wrote:
> The server in xquartz.org 2.7.11 is "xorg-server 1.18.4 plus other patches"
>
> It's a repackaging of what also gets built for MacPorts, but on MacPorts,
> xorg-server is 1.20.6.
>
> In other words, the xquartz.org package doesn't get updated nearly as often
> as MacPorts. It is of course easier to install, since you just need one
> package vs installing MacPorts base, and then the xorg-server port (which
> will automatically install all its dependencies) - and maybe other MacPorts
> ports as well, if anything is missing then. Some details change, and there's
> an X11 app vs the Xquartz app; but aside from various directory and file name
> differences (since one could install both, although would usually just have
> the launch daemon and launch agent for one enabled), the principles are
> pretty much the same.
>
> Yes, according to reports, the x.org server itself will eventually fade away.
> But there remain more active updates of it for macOS than what's on
> xquartz.org.
>
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