Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- Subject: Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- From: "Ward, Mark Daniel via X11-users" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:12:16 +0000
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- Thread-topic: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Dear René,
I love what you said: "let's hope that this is a wake-up call so that
some people start working on porting the Wayland libraries". That's a
very nice way to summarize what I wanted to say in my (admittedly too
long) email a few minutes ago. Thank you for asking this! I don't want
X11 usage to get relegated to (only) MacPorts users, because lots of us
refuse to use MacPorts or Homebrew or any other package manager.
A wake-up call would be wonderful.
Indeed, every time that I read the news about Apple's continued success
in the marketplace (just look at their awesome stock prices, for
instance), I am wondering if it is worthwhile for the X11 community to
(for instance) send a petition to Apple directly, to continue
development of an X11 installer on the Mac. This would probably be easy
for Apple to achieve, if they dedicated just a few people's time/effort
to such a project. Right?
(I realize that I sound very naive here, and I don't want to sound that
way. I've been a committed Apple user since I was a child in the early
1980's.)
Best wishes,
Mark
On 1/5/20 3:39 AM, René J.V. Bertin via X11-users wrote:
> On Sunday January 05 2020 01:44:19 Gunning, James wrote:
>
>>> https://www.macg.co/macos/2019/07/xorg-bientot-abandonne-et-avec-lui-x11-sur-mac-106945
>> X.Org, the free implementation of the X11 windowing system will soon enter
>> "maintenance mode". Driven by Red Hat, the Gnome desktop environment ditched
>> X.Org in favor of Wayland, which is set to become the primary display server
>> for GNU / Linux distributions. "Once we're done," says director of Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Desktop, "we plan to put X.Org into maintenance mode
>> soon enough."
> That's a very Linux-centric situation, as Wayland has rather strong links to
> Linux-specifics at the moment. I haven't looked at FreeBSD for a while to see
> if they have a good, efficient adaptation (and how that's linked to newer
> versions of their kernel). But even then, FreeBSD isn't the only other Unix
> implementation out there, and X.Org is not a project that cannot be forked
> even if the current official repo goes into feature freeze.
>
> Anyway, let's hope that this is a wake-up call so that some people start
> working on porting the Wayland libraries so that Qt's Wayland can be built
> and possibly even KDE's KWin with its Wayland compositor implementation (how
> the KDE people would like that! ;) ).
>
> As to running the latest "official" XQuartz: I stopped doing that even on
> 10.9 because it has a tendency to crash on startup and randomly later on, on
> my bi-head system where I routinely 1) use FUS to go the login screen which
> allows me to 2) disconnect the external screen without causing a desktop
> rearrangement then 3) suspend the machine and finally 4) potentially connect
> a different external after waking it in a different location.
> I'm now running my own take on MacPorts' port:xorg-server-devel, v1.20.1
> (https://github.com/RJVB/macstrop/tree/master/x11/xorg-server-devel) and that
> works well enough; combined with a patched Mesa
> (https://github.com/RJVB/macstrop/tree/master/x11/mesa) that has some support
> for software EGL I can even run remote applications that do fancier things
> (or KF5 applications that simply crash when forced to use GLX).
>
> Jeremy: dunno if you're still on this list or otherwise felt us treading on
> your tail ... happy newyear! :)
>
> R.
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