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Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1)
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Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1)


  • Subject: Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1)
  • From: Rob Lockstone <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:23:21 -0800

I disagree. Having an alternative (Eclipse, IDEA, or whatever) is not a good reason to not implement certain features for Java. Are you also telling the Eclipse developers not to bother with trying to support C because Microsoft has this killer app named Dev Studio (or whatever they're calling it these days)? Competition is good.

I don't want to use multiple development environments. I prefer Xcode's UI and general feel over the Java-centric IDE's I've tried. You even said it yourself, "For the rest I think that Xcode is nicer : UI, build system, help, workflow ..." To me, the Java IDE's often seem very "cluttered" and "busy" and some of them are very Windows-esque. I'm not saying they're bad or anything. Just my personal preference. What Xcode lacks, in my opinion, is some of the neat stuff you can do with those IDE's. Personally, I think some of it is over-hyped and overkill. And perhaps Apple has the same thought process and they don't want to try and throw every possible feature into Xcode making it as complex and unwieldily as some of the Java IDE's out there. That's fine with me.

I, for one, am very glad to hear they are going to be focusing some more effort on the Java side of Xcode.

Rob

On Dec 19, 2003, at 4:27, Gerard Iglesias wrote:

Hi,

I am not sure the interest for the Xcode team to spend too much time around Java ...

Xcode effort is absolutely necessary regarding ObjC, ObjC++ and Applescript, but with thing like Eclipse around, I don't see the interest at all for Java.

As an ObjC and (new )Java dev, I use Xcode to build the Java part of our project to get an unified graphical build process, but I use IDEA for the java coding because it is very good, I know people using Eclipse and they are very happy with it because it is catching with IDEA regarding completion/help/refactoring.

Obviously I would be very happy to see Xcode a very good Java IDE, but I would prefer to get the kind of completion/refactoring for ObjC we can see in IDEA for Java.

For me it is a lot more important, because as programmer are lazy, it would be a very very strong point in favor of ObjC and Xcode if the Xcode team would be able to be as good as IDEA for the completion/refactoring issues. For the rest I think that Xcode is nicer : UI, build system, help, workflow ....

And just a question, excepted that Eclipse is a Java project (hence it is a good reason to have Xcode made by Apple), is the Xcode team investigated the possibility to use Eclipse as IDE architecture ?

Best regards

Gerard
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References: 
 >Code Completion (Xcode 1.1) (From: François Frisch <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1) (From: Shawn Erickson <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1) (From: François Frisch <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1) (From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1) (From: Gerard Iglesias <email@hidden>)

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