Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1)
Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1)
- Subject: Re: Code Completion (Xcode 1.1)
- From: Rob Lockstone <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:23:21 -0800
I disagree. Having an alternative (Eclipse, IDEA, or whatever) is not a
good reason to not implement certain features for Java. Are you also
telling the Eclipse developers not to bother with trying to support C
because Microsoft has this killer app named Dev Studio (or whatever
they're calling it these days)? Competition is good.
I don't want to use multiple development environments. I prefer Xcode's
UI and general feel over the Java-centric IDE's I've tried. You even
said it yourself, "For the rest I think that Xcode is nicer : UI, build
system, help, workflow ..." To me, the Java IDE's often seem very
"cluttered" and "busy" and some of them are very Windows-esque. I'm not
saying they're bad or anything. Just my personal preference. What Xcode
lacks, in my opinion, is some of the neat stuff you can do with those
IDE's. Personally, I think some of it is over-hyped and overkill. And
perhaps Apple has the same thought process and they don't want to try
and throw every possible feature into Xcode making it as complex and
unwieldily as some of the Java IDE's out there. That's fine with me.
I, for one, am very glad to hear they are going to be focusing some
more effort on the Java side of Xcode.
Rob
On Dec 19, 2003, at 4:27, Gerard Iglesias wrote:
Hi,
I am not sure the interest for the Xcode team to spend too much time
around Java ...
Xcode effort is absolutely necessary regarding ObjC, ObjC++ and
Applescript, but with thing like Eclipse around, I don't see the
interest at all for Java.
As an ObjC and (new )Java dev, I use Xcode to build the Java part of
our project to get an unified graphical build process, but I use IDEA
for the java coding because it is very good, I know people using
Eclipse and they are very happy with it because it is catching with
IDEA regarding completion/help/refactoring.
Obviously I would be very happy to see Xcode a very good Java IDE, but
I would prefer to get the kind of completion/refactoring for ObjC we
can see in IDEA for Java.
For me it is a lot more important, because as programmer are lazy, it
would be a very very strong point in favor of ObjC and Xcode if the
Xcode team would be able to be as good as IDEA for the
completion/refactoring issues. For the rest I think that Xcode is
nicer : UI, build system, help, workflow ....
And just a question, excepted that Eclipse is a Java project (hence it
is a good reason to have Xcode made by Apple), is the Xcode team
investigated the possibility to use Eclipse as IDE architecture ?
Best regards
Gerard
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