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Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups
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Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups


  • Subject: Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups
  • From: Nick Nallick <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:23:35 -0700


On Dec 30, 2005, at 12:49 AM, j o a r wrote:

I'm not trying to bash the tool, I just don't want to get bogged down in the terminology of whether I'm adding a file to a phase or a target or whatever. Mostly I just want the IDE to do the right thing <snip>

This attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. You want Xcode to do what you expect, without learning how Xcode works. This is understandable, but also - I hope you agree - a bit unreasonable.

I agree but I think you misunderstand my position. I subscribe to the idea that simple things should be done simply and complex things should be possible. With a basic project you shouldn't be put into a state where you're getting link errors because you mistakenly drag the same file into the project twice. All I was trying to do was make that point without getting sidetracked by the problem that we don't speak exactly the same language because I'm not up to speed on Xcode jargon (even though I do find it useful to be educated on the differences between phases, targets, etc.).


On the other hand perhaps you're right. As a Macintosh user I want intuitive user interface. In other words, I want my apps to do what I expect without learning how they work. That's why Mac UI design takes so much more work than other platforms. To be frank, that's the expectation Apple set itself up for when it unveiled Xcode by saying it was bringing Apple's world class UI know-how to development tools. To me, that's the campaign promise that I want to hold Xcode to now that's it's been elected the sole Mac IDE. Sometimes unreasonable is good.

That said, I think that your problems with adopting the Xcode mental model is interesting and important - and should be valuable to the Xcode development team. Why don't you keep a list of all stumbling blocks you encounter the first few weeks of using Xcode, and email them to <email@hidden>?

Okay, it's nice to have a channel for feedback on all those little quirks before they become second nature.


Thanks for the info. I did manage to get this setup, I'm mostly just lost in the jargon at the moment. Unfortunately this toolbar item doesn't appear to be available to me in the condensed layout. I guess I just have to go find the right submenu in the project menu.

It is there, but it's called "Active Build Configuration" since Xcode 2.x. It's also available from the "Project > Set Active Build Configuration" menu.

When I bring up the toolbar customization window the three "active" popups are dimmed. Since I've just been discovering some differences between the default and condensed layout, I jumped to the conclusion those dimmed items weren't available in my layout mode. It turns out they work fine, I just had to ignore the fact that they're dim in the customization window.


Thanks,
Nick
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 >Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups (From: James Bucanek <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups (From: Nick Nallick <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups (From: j o a r <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups (From: Nick Nallick <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Finding Files Buried in Groups (From: j o a r <email@hidden>)

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