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RE: noob

  • Subject: RE: noob
  • From: Norm Green <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:00:26 -0800
Title: RE: noob

> Oh, come on. All these languages suffer as 'beginners choice' from a 
>very simple drawback: There is no real debugger (*)

That is wrong.  Smalltalk comes with an excellent GUI debugger.

Norm Green

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Engelmeier [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:44 AM
To: glenn andreas
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: noob


On 21.12.2007, at 23:47, glenn andreas wrote:

>>> A good tutorial will take care of that. And except for image and 
>>> raw data manipulation, pointer arithmetic is sooo 90ies, read: 
>>> obsolete.
>>
>> And pointers are not really that hard to understand -- certainly 
>> not hard enough to warrant avoiding them. The sooner someone 
>> understands the the better off he'll be.
>
>
> Or just use a language (AppleScript, _javascript_, Python, SmallTalk, 
> Lua, etc...) that doesn't have pointers.

Oh, come on. All these languages suffer as 'beginners choice' from a 
very simple drawback: There is no real debugger (*)
It is very easy to forget the value of "inspect what's going on" when 
year-long training allows to write quite some amount of code without 
the need to debug.

*In the case of AppleScript there is, but the non-deterministic and 
inconsistent language parsing makes it a PITA. And having taken over a 
"non-programmer-tweaked-until-works" AppleScript studio app I'd 
definitely recommend some language where the samples etc. guide far 
more in direction of structured programming and code reuse.
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