Re: Xcode - AN APPLE OPPORTUNITY!
Re: Xcode - AN APPLE OPPORTUNITY!
- Subject: Re: Xcode - AN APPLE OPPORTUNITY!
- From: Jean-Denis MUYS <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:46:29 +0000
- Thread-topic: Xcode - AN APPLE OPPORTUNITY!
I agree with you. I was only commenting on this MacApp thing: I don't want to invest into letting people program Cocoa App in pure C++ (as I wrote, the only motivation for that would be alleviating the need to learn Objective-C) at the expense of other investments. I believe support for C++ is necessary and feature-wise, it's reached the sweet spot (with Objective-C++ for example, for which I pushed as hard as I could back when Apple wasn't sure it wanted to do it). Now it's time to fix what's broken - in C++ support as in other areas. Even class diagrams would not be that interesting an addition (IMHO). But indeed fix the debugger, indexing, refactoring (and pasting text).
Jean-Denis
On 8 mars 2012, at 15:31, Scott Ribe wrote:
> I don'w know what OP wants, but I would like to be able to reliably inspect my instances in the debugger, that would sure be nice ;-) Refactoring features working across C++ files would also be nice. And class diagramming would be sweet too.
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> As for what you said, yes, Objective-C works really well for UI stuff and Cocoa demonstrates this really well. But there are other domains where C++ works better than Objective-C (and of course tons of libraries and back end stuff that is already in C++ regardless of whether C++ was the best choice).
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> Not all of us who use C++ and want better support are ignorant enough to claim that Cocoa could and should have been implemented in C++ ;-)
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> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:08 AM, Jean-Denis MUYS wrote:
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>> I used to be a MacApp expert, but seriously, the link with C++ is thin at best. What do you suggest anyway? Do you suggest to provide a pure C++ set of headers for Cocoa, whereby C++ would become a first-class Cocoa programming language? This will not happen. Contrary to MacApp, Cocoa relies on an object model that is very different from C++'s object model. Moreover, the only benefit of such a feature would be to relieve the programmer from learning Objective-C. I have very little sympathy for such a benefit. Learning a new language for a decent engineer is a matter of a few days. The downside would be more cruft, more baggage to maintain, more bugs. Apple's development tools have far more pressing issues to resolve than offering a path for developers who don't want to learn Objective-C. I'd rather see Apple invest in making what we have more robust than adding more complexity for limited benefits. After all, the Xcode 4 text editor *still* doesn't handle pasting of a text selection correctly, despite filed bugs. When something as basic as pasting a text selection is broken in an IDE, feature creep is the last thing you want.
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