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Re: preview/photoshop - here's a possible solution!
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Re: preview/photoshop - here's a possible solution!


  • Subject: Re: preview/photoshop - here's a possible solution!
  • From: Claudio Hoecker <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:34:47 +0100

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Hi everybody,

I finally think that this is a Photoshop-Bug when PS is using Apple CMM and IT IS NOT a Mac OS X issue!!! You wonder why? Well then, here's my solution to get the (nearly) same (RGB) colors in Photoshop and Mac OS X apps like Preview, Safari, Mail... (note, I did not test this on any Windows system).


First, we need something as a reference, to make clear, that we all talk about the same thing. For that reason, we will make use of Apples' DigitalColor Meter and I recommend downloading the following set of images for checking your display-calibration. The images are in an archive "ECI Monitortest" and you can find them for free at
http://www.eci.org/eci/de/060_downloads.php
There is a .sit archive for Mac users (including TIFF) and a .zip archive for Windows users (including BMP). The included manual is German only, I'm sorry for that inconvenience.


Next, unstuff the archive and choose the image with the resolution that comes closest to your display setting as your desktop background image. Make sure that you DON'T SCALE the image, otherwise the Gamma-Area does not work properly!!! I recommend setting your desktop preference pane to CENTER the image.

Now, open up the exact same image in Photoshop (CS), DO NOT ASSIGN A PROFILE and set your view to 100 %. In both images one pixel of the image should match exactly one pixel on-screen.

Close/hide all other apps except Photoshop and the Finder. Close all windows in the Finder. Clear your desktop from files and folders.

If you experience any difference between the gray background of both images (for now, don't care about the gamma-area in the images), then set your Photoshop Color Settings to the following setup (advanced settings):

RGB Working Space: Display/Monitor-RGB (can be changed in Display Preferences Pane) OR "ColorMatch RGB" OR "Apple RGB" OR Apples '"Generic RGB Profile" (NOT "sRGB", NOT "Adobe (1998) RGB")

CMM: Adobe (ACE) (on my system, changing the rendering intent had no impact, so you can set it to the preference of your choice. The same goes for black point compensation).

NOTE: Both images should match in "color" now!


To verify this, open up the DigitalColor Meter (can be found in /Applications/Utilities/ ). Select RGB 8 bit at first, to verify the RGB values in the desktop background image and the image displayed with Photoshop. You should read
R: 127
G: 127
B: 127
in either the Finder and Photoshop.
Next, select CIE L*a*b* in the DigitalColor Meter and read the values. You should read the same values in the Finder and Photoshop. On my system it was
L*: 60.478
a*: -0.004
b*: -0.004


Now tweak around with your Photoshop Color Settings, let's say, just switch to Apple CMM or Apple ColorSync. The Photoshop view should change slightly. Now read the Photoshop-image-RGB values again with the DigitalColor Meter.

With my display-profile as RGB working space, it says
R: 128
G: 128
B: 126
L*: 60.755
a*: -0.117
b*: 0.867

With Apples' Generic RGB profile, ColorMatch RGB profile and Apple RGB profile as RGB working space it says
R: 130
G: 127
B: 126
L*: 60.722
a*: 0.992
b*: 0.855


When I set sRGB IEC61966-2.1 as my RGB working space, it says with the Adobe ACE CMM (Adobe (1998) RGB is in parantheses)
R: 107 (108)
G: 107 (108)
B: 107 (108)
L*: 53.033 (53,417)
a*: -0.004 (-0.004)
b*: -0.004 (-0.004)
because of the 2.2 gamma defined in the Adobe (1998) RGB profile and the TRCs in the sRGB profile (it does not store a single gamma value, but a curve with 1024 points). You'll notice, that the image is much darker, but the neutral tones are preserved. You'll loose some lightness values, due to quantization between 1,8 and 2,2 gamma, too.


Finally, switch back to Apple ColorSync / Apple CMM and read the values for sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (Adobe (1998) RGB is in parantheses) as RGB working space. In my case
R: 110 (111)
G: 107 (108)
B: 106 (107)
L*: 53.295 (53,678)
a*: 1.066 (1.062)
b*: 0.922 (0.918)


To confirm Photoshops' behavior with more colorful images and RGB images with attached profiles you can try the same on your own. But as the other images already was an RGB image, you can assume the same behavior.
I also checked it with images with an attached profile and it worked fine.



Conclusion?!
As you can see, all color values (RGB, L*a*b*) stay the same in the FInder, Preview and Photoshop CS (with Adobe ACE and the correct RGB-working space profile) but they only change in Photoshop when changing the CMM from Adobe ACE to Apple CMM / Apple ColorSync or when setting a "wrong" RGB-working space. Maybe Adobe is intentionally doing something wrong to keep users sticking to Adobe ACE?! I should ask someone at Adobe about that...



Finally, I hope this "not so short" solution helps you. As for me, I now know how to set up my Photoshop color settings.



Regards, Claudio

PS: The desktop background image is intended to check your display if
- - it has the correct gamma (if so, you should not be able to read the value which your display is set to), if it does not - CHECK your display and your display profile!,
- - it has some odd color distortion in the neutral area which covers most of the screen,
- - the contrast/brightness is set up properly (if so, you should be able to see the ECI logo in the big black and white boxes),
- - your profile or display creates "tone jumps" (don't know how to describes this better)
- - your display / display profile creates color shifts in general.


I hope that there will be an english manual in the near future... please check http://www.eci.org/eci/en/ if english downloads are available.

PPS: For LCD/TFT displays I recommend modifying the image in a way, that the main elements are in the center of the screen and that there is a gamma-element in each corner to see how much impact the viewing angle has on your display.
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