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Today's Topics:
1. X11 windows and expose. (Marc Dirix)
2. Re: X11 windows and expose. (Jeremy Huddleston)
3. Re: Constructive conversations, was Re: AW: SV: focus failure
with x11 and Mac OS X 10.5 (Jeremy Huddleston)
4. 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview (Jeremy Huddleston)
5. Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview (Harald Hanche-Olsen)
6. Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview (Jeremy Huddleston)
7. Bug Reports @ MacOSForge (Jeremy Huddleston)
8. Re: XDMCP: something to try (Rachel Greenham)
9. Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview (Martin Costabel)
10. Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview (William Davis)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:52:18 +0100
From: Marc Dirix <email@hidden>
Subject: X11 windows and expose.
To: X11 Mailing <email@hidden>
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I'm sure this isn't already reported.
I'm using a pretty recent X11 from freedesk (last week), where this
problem occurs.
If I have say 2 Xterm windows laying behind eachother, and with expose
I select the one
at the back, it comes to the front, but the other window is still
selected. Doing a click on the now front window brings the original
window to the front again. This makes expose non-usable.
Hope I explained it right,
Marc
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:58:24 -0800
From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: X11 windows and expose.
To: Marc Dirix <email@hidden>
Cc: X11 Mailing <email@hidden>
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This is a well known bug and is high on the priority list. While we
don't have public access to read Apple's bug report site, you can
track it here: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/ticket/2
--Jeremy
On Dec 1, 2007, at 23:52, Marc Dirix wrote:
I'm sure this isn't already reported.
I'm using a pretty recent X11 from freedesk (last week), where this
problem occurs.
If I have say 2 Xterm windows laying behind eachother, and with
expose I select the one
at the back, it comes to the front, but the other window is still
selected. Doing a click on the now front window brings the original
window to the front again. This makes expose non-usable.
Hope I explained it right,
Marc
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 01:27:20 -0800
From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Constructive conversations, was Re: AW: SV: focus failure
with x11 and Mac OS X 10.5
To: Bill Janssen <email@hidden>
Cc: X11 List Mailing <email@hidden>
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Just to be sure, is there any particular reason you need Xvfb and
can't use Xfake? AFAICT, Xvfb is bitrotting and Xfake does all it did
but better using kdrive. I'm planning on including Xephyr and Xfake
in a package update but wanted to make sure there was not some obscure
reason it wouldn't work right for users of Xvfb.
--Jeremy
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:34, Bill Janssen wrote:
As a stop-gap solution for this, can you just include Xvfb for them
and use it in your .app bundle if it's not in /usr/X11/bin?
Ah, if only it were a simple app bundle! Thanks, that is what I'm
trying. Sadly, the existing installer works fine on Tiger, and pretty
much works on Leopard, except for that problem (that's the only real
use of X11, I believe), and this still isn't going to address that.
Hell having users, isn't it :-?
Bill
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 01:54:29 -0800
From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
Subject: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview
To: X11 List Mailing <email@hidden>
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Hello everyone,
By now, you may have heard about the new site we've been working to
get setup at MacOSForge (http://xquartz.macosforge.org). We're still
putting on the finishing touches, but you might find some useful
information there like the latest Xquartz release (1.3.0-apple2). I
decided to start calling it -apple# as opposed to a# so people don't
think the a means it's alpha software. You can find this Xquartz
release here:
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/Releases
The main changes over 1.3a1 are some stability improvements,
horizontal scroll wheel support, and Alt (left and right) is now
Mode_switch. I made this decision based on what Tiger's X11 was
doing. For anyone who needs it to be Alt_R and Alt_L, please use
~/.Xmodmap for that (search the list for a post by me with a
sample .Xmodmap file or ping me to update the wiki with the info...
which I will soonish) and send hate/flame mail to my secretary at /dev/
null. If for some reason ~/.Xmodmap does not suit your needs for
keyboard mapping in Xquartz, then please let me know what more we can
do in coming releases to address your concerns.
Furthermore, because downloading multiple individual files to get all
the updates is a pain, we're going to be putting out a .pkg to handle
it all in a convenient and easily deployable manner. This is my first
experience making a package file, so I'd appreciate feedback before I
actually put it up on the site. Anyone willing to trust me not to
break their system (I'm not offended if this isn't you) can find this
package here: http://people.freedesktop.org/~jeremyhu/X11-2.1.0.pkg .
I would appreciate feedback to make sure I'm not doing something wrong
before I put this up on our releases page. To see a summary of
changes collected in this package, check out
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/ChangeLog#Changesin2.1.0
Thanks,
Jeremy
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:03:28 +0100 (CET)
From: Harald Hanche-Olsen <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview
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+ Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>:
The main changes over 1.3a1 are some stability improvements,
horizontal scroll wheel support, and Alt (left and right) is now
Mode_switch.
(Applause.)
Furthermore, because downloading multiple individual files to get
all the updates is a pain, we're going to be putting out a .pkg to
handle it all in a convenient and easily deployable manner. This is
my first experience making a package file, so I'd appreciate
feedback before I actually put it up on the site.
Works for me. We even got the Xquartz man page back!
Interesting to note that
pkgutil --file-info /usr/X11/bin/Xquartz
now lists two package as the source for that file: You have to
compare the install-time for the two of them to decide which is
actually present.
Hmm, I didn't know a .pkg could be a single file. It seems they
always come as a bundle wrapped in a .dmg instead, which makes it
easier to look inside if one is so inclined. Any specific reason you
went for this solution? Is it easier to build that way?
- Harald
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 03:10:31 -0800
From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview
To: Harald Hanche-Olsen <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
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On Dec 2, 2007, at 03:03, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote:
Hmm, I didn't know a .pkg could be a single file. It seems they
always come as a bundle wrapped in a .dmg instead, which makes it
easier to look inside if one is so inclined. Any specific reason you
went for this solution? Is it easier to build that way?
Yeah, I noticed that too. I didn't choose it this way, it's just how
it happened. I first put it in a dmg, but then noticed that it was
just a file and not a dir. I set Leopard as the minimum requirement,
so maybe Leopard's installer has support for single file packages
(maybe bzipped tarballs with some meta-data... but I dunno).
--Jeremy
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 03:14:58 -0800
From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
Subject: Bug Reports @ MacOSForge
To: X11 List Mailing <email@hidden>
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I tried to put together a complete list of all outstanding bugs and
crash reports that I saw on the XDarwin_TODO wiki page and this list
and create a ticket for each of them on xquartz.macosforge.org. If
you emailed a crash report to the list or have a bug you particularly
want squashed, please check that it is in the list here (
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/report/1
) and add yourself to the CC of the ticket if you so desire. I
added some CCs already where I thought it was appropriate.
If you do have any further bugs to report, click on the 'new ticket'
link at the top right of the page when you're in our bug reporting
section. Right now, there's a bug on the site where the link only
appears if you're logged in (should be fixed soon). You can also go
directly to http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/newticket
--Jeremy
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:06:13 +0000
From: Rachel Greenham <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: XDMCP: something to try
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Nope, still getting "Check-in failed: Permission denied" and not even a
window now.
yenaldooshi:~ rachel$ /usr/X11/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 -query mab &
[1] 66890
yenaldooshi:~ rachel$ X11.app starting:
Xquartz server based on X.org Release 7.2, built on 20071116
Check-in failed: Permission denied
_XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be
created.
meta mod is 4
Subsequently running it with the IP address gets a slight difference:
The screen flashes as the window appears for a split-second, then
vanishes, and it complains that another window manager is running; and
exits.
yenaldooshi:~ rachel$ /usr/X11/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 -query
192.168.1.3 &
[1] 66915
yenaldooshi:~ rachel$ X11.app starting:
Xquartz server based on X.org Release 7.2, built on 20071116
Check-in failed: Permission denied
_XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be
created.
meta mod is 4
another window manager is running; exiting
Quitting XQuartz...
[1]+ Done /usr/X11/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 -query
192.168.1.3
No other X11 is running, not according to ps aux, and not according to
the contents of /tmp, where there are no X11-related files. ps aux |
grep X only returns that grep process.
Adding :1 or any other number makes no difference.
By the way, that line:
_XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be
created.
is a lie because /tmp/.X11-unix *is* created, although left empty.
Subsequent calls without deleting that directory omit that error message
but otherwise show no greater success.
No output to any logs.
--
Rachel
Nathan wrote:
I'll try that on Monday when I get in to work.
~ Nathan
On Nov 30, 2007 11:07 PM, Ben Byer <email@hidden> wrote:
Instead of running "/usr/X11R6/bin/Xquartz -query 1.2.3.4 &", try
running "/usr/X11/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 -query 1.2.3.4 &" from
Terminal.app. You'll probably have to click on the X11.app icon
before you can log in -- but I just tried this with a Linux box and it
seemed to work.
--
Ben Byer
CoreOS / BSD Technology Group, XDarwin maintainer
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:28:43 +0100
From: Martin Costabel <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview
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Jeremy Huddleston wrote:
On Dec 2, 2007, at 03:03, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote:
Hmm, I didn't know a .pkg could be a single file. It seems they
always come as a bundle wrapped in a .dmg instead, which makes it
easier to look inside if one is so inclined. Any specific reason you
went for this solution? Is it easier to build that way?
Yeah, I noticed that too. I didn't choose it this way, it's just how it
happened. I first put it in a dmg, but then noticed that it was just a
file and not a dir. I set Leopard as the minimum requirement, so maybe
Leopard's installer has support for single file packages (maybe bzipped
tarballs with some meta-data... but I dunno).
These new one-file pkgs are xar archives. The Leopard system DVD uses
them, too. To list their contents:
xar -tf X11-2.1.0.pkg
To extract into the current directory:
xar -xf X11-2.1.0.pkg
After this, you have a structure like inside a traditional *.pkg bundle.
The files "Payload" and "Scripts" are gzipped pax archives, like the
traditional "Archive.pax.gz".
--
Martin
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:28:56 -0500
From: William Davis <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: 1.3.0-apple2 and X11 Package Preview
To: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
Cc: X11 List Mailing <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On Dec 2, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Jeremy Huddleston wrote:
Hello everyone,
By now, you may have heard about the new site we've been working to
get setup at MacOSForge (http://xquartz.macosforge.org). We're
still putting on the finishing touches, but you might find some
useful information there like the latest Xquartz release (1.3.0-
apple2). I decided to start calling it -apple# as opposed to a# so
people don't think the a means it's alpha software. You can find
this Xquartz release here:
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/Releases
The main changes over 1.3a1 are some stability improvements,
horizontal scroll wheel support, and Alt (left and right) is now
Mode_switch. I made this decision based on what Tiger's X11 was
doing. For anyone who needs it to be Alt_R and Alt_L, please use
~/.Xmodmap for that (search the list for a post by me with a
sample .Xmodmap file or ping me to update the wiki with the info...
which I will soonish) and send hate/flame mail to my secretary at /
dev/null. If for some reason ~/.Xmodmap does not suit your needs
for keyboard mapping in Xquartz, then please let me know what more
we can do in coming releases to address your concerns.
Furthermore, because downloading multiple individual files to get
all the updates is a pain, we're going to be putting out a .pkg to
handle it all in a convenient and easily deployable manner. This is
my first experience making a package file, so I'd appreciate
feedback before I actually put it up on the site. Anyone willing to
trust me not to break their system (I'm not offended if this isn't
you) can find this package here:
http://people.freedesktop.org/~jeremyhu/X11-2.1.0.pkg
. I would appreciate feedback to make sure I'm not doing something
wrong before I put this up on our releases page. To see a summary
of changes collected in this package, check out
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/ChangeLog#Changesin2.1.0
Thanks,
Jeremy _______________________________________________
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Worked fine for me. :)
William Davis
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