Re: Where is the Searchable Applescript-users Archive?
Re: Where is the Searchable Applescript-users Archive?
- Subject: Re: Where is the Searchable Applescript-users Archive?
- From: Chuq Von Rospach <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:38:23 -0800
On 2/28/01 5:52 PM, "Douglas Wagner" <email@hidden> wrote:
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> I really, really wish people wouldn't make these things public without
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> approval -- I realize it's well-meaning, but it's not necessarily legal or a
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> good idea.
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I think your response may have been made, more or less, off the cuff.
No, not really.
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1 What is it, that is not approved? The act of making public
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material available to the public in a conveniently searchable form,
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independent of Apple and so, not controlled by Apple?
Actually, we can argue whether the material is really public. Every article
is owned by copyright by the original poster, and the collection of those
articles in total have a copyright by Apple. They are NOT public domain, and
putting them all in an archive and re-publishing them without our approval
is a violation of that copyright.
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2 And what "things" should we not make public, without
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approval? Does this mean I can have a private archive but I must not
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let anyone else see it? What about my wife, or your wife?
Well, the "things" we really care about are (a) the privacy of our users,
and (b) our users e-mail addresses. We don't care about private archives. We
DO care about public ones, because the people who put them up never seem to
stop to worry about things like stopping the spam harvesters or protecting
the privacy rights of the people in that archive.
And, you know what? Someone puts up an archive like this, the harvesters
grab it and the users in it start getting spammed, guess who gets yelled at?
Suddenly, it's all Apple's fault.
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3 Apple hosts the list but the members contribute most of the
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material. And as far as I'm aware, there is no law in Canada, where I
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live, that prohibits me from archiving a public list,
Copyright. Canada's a member of the Berne convention on copyright. Putting
up a public archive is not within the rights under fair use.
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Or by "approval" do you mean cooperation, with Apple, in
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the interest of defeating spammers?
Yes. That's exactly why I care. I don't want to stop outside archives. I
want to make sure I know what archives exist, and that they manage the
archives to an appropriate level of security to protect our users.
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4 Apple maintains this archive in a form which isn't
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searchable. In other words, the archive is, essentially, useless.
One reason I'm not trying to shut down other archives (not that I really
want to anyway) -- merely trying to make sure they protect the archives
appropriately.
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If you want to discourage private archives, may I suggest you
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consider making the official archive searchable?
As soon as I can. But until then, that's no excuse to expose all of the
users of this list to the spammers.
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