AUGD: Re: Augd Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172
AUGD: Re: Augd Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172
- Subject: AUGD: Re: Augd Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172
- From: Lawrence Armstrong <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:21:46 -0400
Another thing to consider is not having to purchase spy ware software, very little - if any- virus problems. You do have the pop up window problem either.
Larry
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> 1. Re: Re: AUGD: Cost of Ownership comparison (Benjamin Stanley)
> 2. Re: Cost of Ownership comparison
> (Anthony Caruana - President iMug)
> 3. Re: Cost of Ownership comparison
> (Anthony Caruana - President iMug)
> 4. Re: Cost of Ownership comparison (Emilie Unkrich)
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>Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:55:41 +0100
>From: "Benjamin Stanley" <email@hidden>
>Subject: Re: Re: AUGD: Cost of Ownership comparison
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>Stuff like this is coming on the market now, $230, cheap rubbish, but
>runs Win XP and office (extra purchase required)
>http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/89079/rb/21478327329
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>It's the Extra Purchase Required that is the catch, I'm not convinced
>you'll need to do much justification for the Apple stuff once the PCs
>are costed up fully.
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>Cheers
>B.
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>On 02/09/06, Tunc Akman <email@hidden> wrote:
>> Wow; you should have real cheap PCs in Switzerland. Are you sure
>> there is at least a processor inside those PCs at $200? Only the
>> Intel CPUs themselves are costing as much!!!
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>> Regards,
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>> tuNc
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>> On Sep 02, 2006, at 00:57, List Account wrote:
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>> > The cheapest Mac is the Mini, yet this is approximately 3 times
>> > more expensive than a cheap PC. How can I back up my case for
>> > buying 5 new Macs? I'm struggling to find data...
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>Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:42:02 +1000
>From: Anthony Caruana - President iMug <email@hidden>
>Subject: Re: AUGD: Cost of Ownership comparison
>To: Apple User Groups <email@hidden>
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>Cost of ownership comparisons are rarely listened to by folks that think
>they already know the answer. My understanding (having tried to make similar
>comparisons and then convince management of the outcome) is that purchase
>price is only about a third of the device's cost over its life.
>
>The cost is made up of a number of components
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>1 - hardware
>2 - software you need (this is where iLife adds no value on corporate
>environments as it's not usually considered a "productivity app")
>3 - maintenance agreements (eg pay extra for next day, on-site repairs)
>4 - transition cost (switching people from their old system to a new one)
>5 - ongoing support
>6 - ongoing costs (energy, space, etc)
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>There are probably other bits but for the sake of discussion that'll do.
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>In my mind and from my experience the hardware argument (comparing like for
>like) probably falls to the PC. But build quality is highly variable so what
>you get will largely depend on the parts and the assembler.
>
>Software is probably lineball except that in management's mind there are
>probably corporate apps that don't have Mac equivalents. My experience is
>that that's a load of rubbish. I've found FREE alternatives for MS Project
>(that can read/write Project formatted files) and a bunch of other handy
>tools that replace their PC counterparts.
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>Maintenance boils down to relationships with resellers. Only you can strike
>a deal and compare.
>
>Transition will probably cost more the first time you go to a Mac (extra
>training, etc) but until Apple releases OS XI you're probably only going to
>need to do that once. Also, Apple's migration tools from one Mac to the next
>seem superior to those of Windows. Another thing - Windows machines vary
>greatly which means that IT teams need to create many different system
>images to support their heterogeneous hardware environment. With OS X, you
>can copy the system from one machine to another without any driver flakiness
>(at least in my experience).
>
>The Mac will easily win on the support side - no viruses, spyware, etc.
>Anyone who denied that may well have their brain placed where the sun don't
>shine.
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>Ongoing costs will require some analysis. Generally, this argument comes
>down to a staff reduction one to save support costs. Unless those staff
>members can be redeployed on other higher value tasks you'll probably find
>that it carries little weight as reducing support staff is usually a very
>unpopular thing thing to do.
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>One other thing - when looking at cost of ownership studies it pays to look
>at not only at the authors but who commissioned the study. Many seemingly
>independent studies have been bought and paid for by vendors. Such studies
>shouldn't be relied on as they may be seen as tainted.
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>While this doesn't answer your request for data, it does reflect my
>experience. I hope it helps.
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>Anthony Caruana
>President - iMug
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>On 2/9/06 8:57 AM, "List Account" <email@hidden> wrote:
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>> Can anyone please point me in the direction of information that shows buying a
>> Mac is not the expensive option my co-director seems to think it is? I am
>> looking for typical cost of ownership figures, compared not to an expensive
>> Dell
>> but to a bottom of the range, cheap and cheerful, no frills office PC.
>>
>> The cheapest Mac is the Mini, yet this is approximately 3 times more expensive
>> than a cheap PC. How can I back up my case for buying 5 new Macs? I'm
>> struggling
>> to find data...
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Nigel MacGeorge
>> Basel Mac User Group
>> Switzerland
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:20:14 +1000
>From: Anthony Caruana - President iMug <email@hidden>
>Subject: Re: AUGD: Cost of Ownership comparison
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>I've been giving this soime more thought and done a little more research.
>Rather than recount that all here, I've blogged it a t
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>www.thepdaguy.com
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>For those that are interested
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>One thing I found was a spreadsheet for calculating and comparing TCO.
>There's a link near the bottom of the blog post.
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>Regards
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>On 3/9/06 9:42 AM, "Anthony Caruana - President iMug"
><email@hidden> wrote:
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>> Cost of ownership comparisons are rarely listened to by folks that think
>> they already know the answer. My understanding (having tried to make similar
>> comparisons and then convince management of the outcome) is that purchase
>> price is only about a third of the device's cost over its life.
>>
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>Anthony Caruana
>President - iMug
>email@hidden
>www.imug.com.au
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 05:39:15 -0400
>From: Emilie Unkrich <email@hidden>
>Subject: Re: AUGD: Cost of Ownership comparison
>To: Anthony Caruana - President iMug <email@hidden>,
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>This is one wonderful article that you have written, Anthony.
>I recommend it to all our readers.
>With Care,
>Emilie
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>On Sep 3, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Anthony Caruana - President iMug wrote:
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>> I've been giving this soime more thought and done a little more
>> research.
>> Rather than recount that all here, I've blogged it at
>>
>> www.thepdaguy.com
>>
>> For those that are interested
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