Re: AUGD: What are we allowed to discuss?
Re: AUGD: What are we allowed to discuss?
- Subject: Re: AUGD: What are we allowed to discuss?
- From: Dave G <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:14:05 -0500
You assume a democratic process when there isn't any. As this is an
Apple list, Apple and it's agents control what is discussed. The list
is publicly accessible by anyone. Often times forum posts are removed
from Apple's website. MUGS operate at the pleasure and permission of
Apple, and that relationship can be revoked, modified, or limited at
any time.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Giuseppe Quinn<email@hidden> wrote:
> Two of my messages regarding piracy, mugs and Presidents were blocked form
> the list, I would like to know what we are allowed to discuss, and what
> criteria is our guide. As has been asked, if MUGs and piracy aren't an
> on-topic topics, what is? Are we to limit our discussion to "Is Google
> better than Bing?" I think, although the original question was lame and
> bristled with agenda, we NEED to be discussing this, since MUGs are losing
> members to the internet daily. With switchers buying Macs and feeling it's
> just another computer maker, bringing with them a lack of understanding
> toward the benefits of MUGs and old timers simply staying at home or going
> to Apple Stores, we need to redefine our role in their computer universe.
>
> I would much rather hear all divisions and decide what to forget, than
> censorship anyday. If we can't discuss MUG ethics here, then where? If not
> now then when? Raw raw ree kick him in the knee. Seriously though, as much
> as I love having Viagra ads and quick money Nigerian solicitations blocked,
> stifeling any debate about MUG operation, simply because some are tired of,
> not interested in, or can't stay civil only hurts the greater MUG community.
> As I stated in my post on the pirating issue was censored, I think the
> original post was inflamitor, but the discussion of piracy and MUGs is still
> a valid topic here. If we are going to censor out this, where is the line?
> Open discusion, let the silly, stupid, and even heated be heard, we're all
> adults, mostly. IMHO
>
> That said, I appreciate listmom's job and don't want to see topics not
> related to MUGs, and think I haven't been disapointed in that for the 5
> years I've been getting this. Although having two of my inputs rejected
> doesn't make me secure about what pertinent information I might have liked,
> while it wasn't allowed to reach us. Seems we can ask peole to be civil, and
> if they can't be, remove them, not the debate.
>
> As far as legal responsibilities, this is a listserv and all about
> discussion, it would be a hard case to make that if someone said giving a
> copy of software for $20 was fine, and someone went and did that, anyone
> beside the bootleggers would be responsible. That doesn't seem to elevate to
> insighting action. Also, it doesn't feel like that is why this thread is
> being closed, more because of the rancor, which should be discouraged, but,
> "in a diverse world offense is to be expected, but every offense is not
> oppression."
>
> Giuseppe Quinn
> President(5th term), Santa Fe Macintosh User Group
>
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