Re: ---Help Needed for CocoaVitae.com--- Was: Re: Docs
Re: ---Help Needed for CocoaVitae.com--- Was: Re: Docs
- Subject: Re: ---Help Needed for CocoaVitae.com--- Was: Re: Docs
- From: "l.m.orchard" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:49:31 -0400
On Friday, August 24, 2001, at 07:39 AM, Fatih Erarslan
<email@hidden> wrote:
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Dear List,
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On Thursday, August 23, 2001, at 12:28 PM, Bertrand Mansion wrote:
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> For example, one could make a website with all Apple classes and
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> methods and create an infrastructure so that users, developers,
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> contributors, could
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> drop notes and examples related to each of them. It is what they made
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> for PHP
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> (http://www.php.net) and it works very well. Within a few months, it
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> would
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> become a great resource for developers
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I have already started a project similar to the one in this quote,
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CocoaVitae.com, (since MWNY) to build a website and trying to get help
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from Cocoa community.
Have either of you been to
http://www.cocoadev.com, the Cocoa Dev wiki?
What you describe is already underway there.
(...snip...)
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-Class Docs,
You mean like this?
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?NSAutoreleasePool
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-Code Library (Binary and Source),
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-Sample Code with Tutorials, Articles,
You mean like these bits of sample code?
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaSampleCode
You mean like these articles?
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?WindowShade
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?GlobalModifications
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-CocoaVitae Collaboration System (NOT a message threading or mailing
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list),
Wiki is a freeform authoring and discussion system for collaborative
content creation.
People have laughed at its simplicity or primitive features, but it's
actually pretty powerful.
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-Cocoa Chronicles: (Shared) Profiles of New Developers controlled by
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experienced Developers (Cocoa notes, Exercises, Readings, etc.)
Like the profiles of these developers?
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaDevUsers
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-Cocoaine: It is exactly what you understand:)
Not sure about this...
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The project is a WO project, (WO5) and I have already been working on
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it. If you would like to help, please contact me. I hope we all can work
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together to weave this site and create wonders for Cocoa community.
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CocoaVitae is for anyone craving a cup of hot Cocoa.
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I will be looking forward to hearing from you,
I'm not trying to squash competition, because I'd love to see more sites
like this. But there are a few things I think you'd have to address
before your community would take off.
First thing is, I know I don't have access to WebObjects. I haven't
looked into it, but are there free non-time-limited developer kits? If so,
I might consider helping, but otherwise I'll stick with Perl for my
no-strings-attached free community development. (Or PHP, or Java, or
Python, or... no language wars, please)
Second thing is that you'll find it's not technology or whizbang features
that will fuel your community. I'm just worried that maybe you think it
will, because you start out with a software feature list and too many
community builders have thought that.
It's the members and their willingness to contribute content to the place.
Look at www.cocoadev.com (if you haven't already with the above
URLs :) ). I can't think of an easier to use and more flexible
collaboration system than a Wiki installation. True, your system sounds
like it'll be more purpose-focused, but you'll have to work to get people
to use it. CocoaDev.com hasn't even really come close to outstripping the
features of Wiki, and has only briefely run into the flaws of the system.
For example, the URL I posted pointing to a "Class Doc". Pretty sparse,
innit? Well, there've been suggestions that *someone* post the entire
contents of the Cocoa class docs to the site so that the class docs are
more fleshed out... but who's "someone"? Who'll do it? Probably not
me... And... is it allowed by Apple to reproduce the content like that?
But these are the issues a fledgling, growing community like CocoaDev
faces.
Basically, what I'm saying is, make sure you pay as much attention to the
human element of the community as you do to the software component. I'd
really, really, really hate to see you forge ahead with a grand community
software project and find that no one beats down the doors.
I've done that before. It REALLY sucks.
--
Leslie Michael Orchard <email@hidden>
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