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Re: ---Help Needed for CocoaVitae.com--- Was: Re: Docs
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Re: ---Help Needed for CocoaVitae.com--- Was: Re: Docs


  • Subject: Re: ---Help Needed for CocoaVitae.com--- Was: Re: Docs
  • From: Fatih Erarslan <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:04:13 -0500

On Friday, August 24, 2001, at 09:49 AM, l.m.orchard wrote:

> Have either of you been to http://www.cocoadev.com, the Cocoa Dev wiki?
> What you describe is already underway there.
>

I don't mean to criticize you but cocodev.com lacks many important
features that I described. I am asking for help and collaboration, not
competition. It is that simple.

> (...snip...)
>
>> -Class Docs,
>
> You mean like this?
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?NSAutoreleasePool
Yes it points to: Apple's documentation:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Cocoa/Reference/Foundation/ObjC_classic/
Classes/NSAutoreleasePool.html


Is this your class doc library?


>
>> -Code Library (Binary and Source),
>> -Sample Code with Tutorials, Articles,
>
> You mean like these bits of sample code?
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaSampleCode
>
> You mean like these articles?
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?WindowShade
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?GlobalModifications
>
Yeah that is all great but it is still not very mature.

>> -CocoaVitae Collaboration System (NOT a message threading or mailing
>> list),
>
> Wiki is a freeform authoring and discussion system for collaborative
> content creation.

I can go ahead and edit your site put gibrish in there, it that what you
mean by simplicity?

>
> People have laughed at its simplicity or primitive features, but it's
> actually pretty powerful.
>
>> -Cocoa Chronicles: (Shared) Profiles of New Developers controlled by
>> experienced Developers (Cocoa notes, Exercises, Readings, etc.)
>
> Like the profiles of these developers?
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaDevUsers
>
No it is not what i mean.

> I'm not trying to squash competition, because I'd love to see more sites
> like this. But there are a few things I think you'd have to address
> before your community would take off.
>
I am not a competitor to your site. I would prefer being a sister site
with yours though:)

> First thing is, I know I don't have access to WebObjects. I haven't
> looked into it, but are there free non-time-limited developer kits? If
> so,
> I might consider helping, but otherwise I'll stick with Perl for my
> no-strings-attached free community development. (Or PHP, or Java, or
> Python, or... no language wars, please)
>
WebObjects is the coolest thing out there for the Web. You should learn
it if you are a Cocoa developer.

> Second thing is that you'll find it's not technology or whizbang
> features
> that will fuel your community. I'm just worried that maybe you think it
> will, because you start out with a software feature list and too many
> community builders have thought that.
>
Well it has to be a good looking, stable, consistent, and well organized
site.

> Basically, what I'm saying is, make sure you pay as much attention to
> the
> human element of the community as you do to the software component.
As you can see i am trying to communicate with people here, that is the
human element.

> I'd really, really, really hate to see you forge ahead with a grand
> community
> software project and find that no one beats down the doors.
>

I don't understand what you are talking about. what do you mean by
forging?


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