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Re: Rant & Rave


  • Subject: Re: Rant & Rave
  • From: Jeff LaMarche <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:57:26 -0800

On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 08:27 AM, email@hidden wrote:

I'm amazed that so many people doing creative work with Cocoa seem to have such a lack of imagination vis-a vis teaching same. Fine, I will now shut up and <snip>
outside the box, as usual

You seem to be confusing "thinking outside the box" with not wanting to spend the time to learn what you need to learn, and then blaming your laziness on the helpful experts that selflessly spend their time answering questions here. Thinking outside the box is an overused term even used correctly; your self-righteous attempt to hijack it here is absolutely pathetic. You are thinking inside a box: a very tiny box, indeed.

I'm not going to point out the flaws in your reasoning; others have done so repeatedly with no effect. What I will ask you is: Why do you stick around since you're obviously so unhappy with Apple, Cocoa and the members of this list? Why don't you go use VBA or some other development environment? Perhaps it's because even dumbed-down languages expect you to have certain knowledge before being able to utilize them effectively, and you don't seem to want any learning curve at all. Modern development tools are built on decades of theory and borrow from dozens of previous languages; if you don't have at least a basic understanding of what lies underneath, you'll never be able to use the tools effectively.

I don't have a CS degree and have had few difficulties learning Cocoa, none of which were insurmountable. Of course, I have spent time over the years teaching myself various languages starting way back with 6502 assembly. The shift to OOP was one of the hardest things I personally ever faced over those years.

The people on this list have been tremendously helpful, but I've made an effort, as most of the others on the list have, to research before asking, and not to expect anything to be handed to us on a silver platter (although that happens once in a while because people on this list are so helpful).

Personally, I find it very offensive that you would accuse these people (who have selflessly helped me and many others) of having a lack of imagination.

Because it doesn't get said enough: Scott, Erik, John, John, Andreas and all the others on the list who offer help and advice: THANK YOU. Most of us appreciate your efforts.

Jeff


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