Re: Enough with the newbie C questions!
Re: Enough with the newbie C questions!
- Subject: Re: Enough with the newbie C questions!
- From: Stephane Le Cornec <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:41:22 -0400
There's something called "signal to noise ratio".
People join the list because they have genuine issues with
ObjC/Cocoa, anything else is noise (including this, in a sense). If
unrelated issues keep on spewing, the list loses its value.
I am sorry if I have an elitist view, but frankly I believe S/N is
already very low. If some would RTFM and take time to think, 2/3 of
the posts would be gone. <sigh> At least your subjects are well
marked.
As for where to ask, I suggest you do some Google Groups searches.
I'm sure within 5 minutes you'll have your answer, or at least know
to which group to post.
BTW, there a very clear reason why fgetc() returns an int (look at EOF).
At 09:48 +1000 2003/08/31, David Thorp wrote:
To Dustin, and everyone else...
Dustin is not the first to say something like what he has said
below. But at the same time, when I started C, on my Mac, a few
weeks ago, with the goal of moving to Cocoa eventually, I wrote to
the list with more than one beginner C question, and an apology if
it wasn't the right place to do so. One person wrote back with "No
more C questions please" and five others wrote back (although mostly
privately) saying that it was ok, that C is where I need to start to
get to Cocoa, and that this list is all about helping people and so
it was fine...
However, Dustin's comments may well be valid, and if so, I for one
don't want to rock the boat. If I could pose the following two
questions please...
1. What is everyone else's opinion (particularly list admin or
whatever) on this? Are the comments below merely the opinion of one
frustrated person, or is he right, and this list REALLY isn't the
place for C-only questions? If responding, please ensure you
respond to the list so we can all see.
2. I don't even know where to start looking for "other forums". I
stumbled across the Apple lists, while browsing through the ADC site
and found myself in a gold mine. If this list really isn't the
place for C questions, can anyone please advise what those "better
forums for C questions than this mailing list" might be.
Thanks, and my apologies if I've rocked the boat already.
David.
On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 07:50 AM, Dustin Voss wrote:
Recently, I've noticed many people asking basic C questions on this
list. Questions about conditional expressions, pointers, return
values. This bothers me. Newbie Objective-C questions are one thing
(though I am getting heartily tired of seeing "when do I
retain/release" questions), and I don't have a problem with newbie
AppKit questions, but C?
To you newbie programmers: If you don't know C, you aren't ready.
There are many books at your local library. There are classes out
there too, even in high school. It is easy to teach yourself
everything you need to know about C, especially with the help of
the Internet. There are better forums for C questions than this
mailing list! Please use them!
Thank you, and good night.
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