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[OT] Re: Bug reports and documentation updates (was Re: Subclassing NSPort (or NSSocketPort))
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[OT] Re: Bug reports and documentation updates (was Re: Subclassing NSPort (or NSSocketPort))


  • Subject: [OT] Re: Bug reports and documentation updates (was Re: Subclassing NSPort (or NSSocketPort))
  • From: Shawn Erickson <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:19:23 -0700

On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 08:05 PM, publiclook wrote:

On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 09:53 PM, cricket wrote:

You may be the best person to verify a bug once it's fixed (because you might be the only person that's seen it _and_ reported it). That's why it's especially important for you to file a bug if you see one. Also, filing bugs is not a one-way communication. Often additional information is needed before the bug can be truly understood and fixed, and being able to contact the person that originally saw the bug is invaluable.

It shouldn't take more than a 5-10 minutes to file a good bug.

Exactly!


And don't spend more than 10 minutes either because if you spend hours or days working down to the essence of the bug and provide a small working application that demonstrates the bug and can explain to Apple exactly what is wrong, it doesn't do any good! You cant attach such information to a bug report and you will never hear from Apple again. They won't reliably tell you the status of your bug or if they have any intention of confirming it let alone fixing it. The bug will either get fixed in a later release leaving you to wonder if your effort helped at all or it won't get fixed and you will know your effort didn't help.

In my experience, submitting bugs to Apple is a waste of valuable time and an exercise in frustration and futility. Let them find and fix their own damn bugs if they can't exert themselves enough to even confirm a bugs existence. If you desperately need a fix and can show Apple exactly what is wrong in a concise way, the incredible wall of silence that results is even more frustrating. Just don't waste your time.

BS

I have submitted several bugs to Apple and have heard back on many of them and most have been fixed. I usually get email letting me know that the fix is expected in the XX prerelease could you please download it and verify that what I reported was fixed, etc. On a few of them I let them know that it wasn't fully fixed and they revved the fix, I even emailed back asking for the source (darwin related issue in this case) because I couldn't quickly down the prerelease.

Remember folks Apple has a large mass of products and a database with a large amount of reported bugs and enhancement request... items do have to get prioritized (all bug are not equal, what may be important to you is not that important in the see of currently filed defects).

If you don't take the time it is likely your problem with not be addressed. If you do take the time you are helping to get your problem resolved. In addition to bug reports consider using a DTS incident if the fix is critical to your product.

If you feel things are going as well as you want PLEASE talk with the DTS folks at Apple to let them know you are unhappy... complaining on a public list isn't going to help much.

-Shawn
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