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Re: [OT] Bug Reporter Questions
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Re: [OT] Bug Reporter Questions


  • Subject: Re: [OT] Bug Reporter Questions
  • From: Scott Thompson <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:55:44 -0500

On Apr 16, 2004, at 10:23 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

Most of this is off topic and just to settle my curiosity, sorry! But this was the only forum which I could think of, and probably others may find potential answers interesting :)

I have on two occasions experienced that I wanted to check the status of a reported bug, only to find that it was simply missing from the Bug Reporter. Did anyone experience similar? Is the database perhaps cleaned once in a while (removing closed bugs), or am I just getting old (remembering reporting bugs that I didn't ;) ).

More likely than not, what happened is that the bug was assigned internally to a "module" that you don't have permission to see. I've had that happen.

Is it possible to view bugs other than those I reported myself? e.g. sometimes I see bug IDs quoted, but is there a place I can actually look at the description for that bug? And is it perhaps even possible to do plain-text searches in the database?

No. Apple keeps it's database pretty closed up.

Does anyone know how priorities are assigned to bugs? I often see people asking others to report some missing/wrong functionality, even though there already is one, but with the argument that: "maybe that will give it higher priority". Is that really so? Is the "severity" of the bug perhaps used? Generally I report most as "Serious Bug / No workaround" even when the bug actually does "Crash or Data loss", but normally it has the workaround of simply not using the functionality or similar, so "Data loss" sounds to strong to me.

There are folks whose job it is to examine the bug reports and assign them to engineers. The engineering teams work decide on the priority of the bugs. Some times someone will discover a new aspect of the way that the system is broken that will make the bug, perhaps, a bit more onerous. You know... "If I hit the bug through this path it's perhaps bad but few people will discover it. Going through this other path, I hit the same bug but everyone will run into it".

Does anyone have any circa figures about how many bugs gets reported?

A lot.

And finally, who runs email@hidden? Is this in-house? and what expertise does the employees have?

email@hidden is not really a single individual. There are a number of developer relations specialists who e-mail on the email@hidden e-mail address (that's why including the followup number in a reply to devbugs is so important).

The folks that you talk to range from some programming experience to full engineers. The important point is, however that even though the person you are talking to may not be an engineer... they can talk to the engineers.

I have on two occasions been called by someone who I think was from devbugs (at least it was in relation to reported bugs), and these persons were just relaying information from engineering, and did not understand "programming" as one of them expressed it -- so not to offend anybody, but if these are the same as those making judgments about which of the thousand daily reported bugs should be passed on to engineering, I start to understand the bad reputation the Bug Reporter has ;)

They are not the same folks that escalate the issues to engineering except in very specialized cases.

Of course if you have a bug for which you need direct engineering support you can always submit a dts incident. If the problem turns out to be Apple's bug you can get credit for the incident.


Mange Hilsen,

Scott
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