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Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem


  • Subject: Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem
  • From: Ilan Volow <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:27:37 -0400
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IMHO Objective-C 2.0 looks like Apple's attempt to make Objective-C competitive with existing scripting languages, given the addition of the dot syntax for accessors and garbage collection changes.

Given that the real strength of scripting languages is tons of useful community supplied modules, real database functionality, and most importantly, regular expressions, and that you get virtually all of those things "right-out-of the-box" when you download said scripting language, I think Apple's really missed the mark with Objective-C 2.0 (if competitiveness with scripting languages is what they were shooting for).

-- Ilan


On May 22, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Graham Cox wrote:


On 23 May 2008, at 3:20 am, Andy Lee wrote:

That may be, but that is different from demanding that Apple "lower the barriers" by changing Cocoa itself to resemble those platforms.


I think many of the additions in Object-C 2.0 and the addition of garbage collection is *precisely* a case of changing Cocoa to resemble other platforms (i.e. Java). Personally I don't find any of the new features all that compelling, though they are no doubt worthwhile for many. Since veteran Cocoa programmers have managed fine without any of these for a long time, I can only deduce that these changes were added by Apple for the express purpose of lowering the barriers to entry for programmers coming from a Java or .NET background.

G.
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