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Re: Panther, sRGB, web browsers
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Re: Panther, sRGB, web browsers


  • Subject: Re: Panther, sRGB, web browsers
  • From: Chris Murphy <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:26:58 -0700

On Dec 14, 2003, at 8:57 PM, Uli Zappe wrote:

Is this really true? I mean, at least choosing a different *display* profile obviously influences all apps; all windows/window contents of all apps look different with a different setting. I would expect the same to be true with printer settings.

OK clarification is due on my part. I'm referring to the the ColorSync default settings for RGB, CMYK and Gray (found in System Preferences>ColorSync in 10.0-10.2, and in ColorSync Utility>Preferences in 10.3.).

The display profile is ignored by most applications, because most applications assume monitor RGB so images they display are unmodified by ColorSync. Applications like Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Acrobat, Reader ask ColorSync for the currently set display profile, and then they do display compensation accordingly.

Print settings is a can of worms because there's currently no mechanism for color managed applications to inform the OS to NOT use ColorSync at print time when the application is going to do color management at print time. So it's possible to get double color management, or no color management extremes. Relying on driver/OS level color management means relying on the assumptions the application, driver and OS make together about what source profile to use. With most printer drivers, by default you do not get ColorSync or application level color management, but rather that printer vendor's proprietary color management.

If system wide settings wouldn't be honored, how could I tell my word processor to print this purple headline correctly? (Word processors usually don't have ColorSync prefs...)

Is this the reason for my current problem that changing the Color LaserJet 5500's ColorSync profile in ColorSync Utility doesn't seem to change printings from Preview, TextEdit and the like at all?

Maybe. I'm not that familiar with the LaserJet 5500's driver options or what RIP it uses. It is a PostScript printer, correct?

ColorSync on OS X, when printing from apps that don't generate their own PostScript, relies on the RIP doing PostScript color management. It sends a source profile as a Color Space Array, but then expects the printer's built-in RIP to supply the Color Rendering Dictionary. I'm not sure how this has changed in Panther, but the UI as you are describing it implies that setting a custom device profile should cause Panther to include that as the CRD. That you continue to get the same results regardless of this settings tells me that there is a good chance Panther is either not generating a CRD (not sending a destination profile to the RIP), or that it is but the RIP is ignoring it. That's the problem with depending on PostScript color management. Each RIP does things differently, and I see PostScript color management as a totally unreliable way of doing color management. But that's another story...

I was absolutely sure that changing this profile *must* influence the printing of all apps. I also thought apps wouldn't need to implement anything anyway, only the vendor of the printer driver (HP in my case) would, since all apps use this driver.

Of course. The user interface implies it. I think it a huge mistake to dump the selection of destination profiles into a relatively obscure application instead of right in the printer driver. But maybe the presence of a ColorSync option in every print dialog, even if the print driver vendor didn't stick on in there, is an indicator of this finally getting figured out.


I can hardly believe that's not the way it works. Why have this setting in ColorSync utility at all? (Then again, no major Mac OS X word processor uses Mac OS X's spelling dictionaries... :-(( )

Yeah, it's the sort of thing that makes me ask myself "hat mir jemand ins Gehirn geschissen and vergessen umzur|hren? Verdammt Color Management! Es macht mich ganz verr|ckt!" on a fairly regular basis.

Chris Murphy
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 >Re: Panther, sRGB, web browsers (From: Uli Zappe <email@hidden>)

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