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Re: untagged RGB data
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Re: untagged RGB data


  • Subject: Re: untagged RGB data
  • From: Chris Murphy <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:35:44 -0700

On Dec 21, 2003, at 7:27 AM, john c. wrote:

From: "Chris Murphy" <email@hidden>
Anyone sharing CMYK images haphazardly without respect to how they were
separated or where they will be printed are asking for problem, period.

Yet, everyone does. I'm in this business almost 30 years, and I have yet to
encounter one agency person, pre-press person or printer who can tell me
anything about what his CMYK file was created for.

Yet the world still manages to turn. They still get proofs out, get paid for them, get the job printed per customer expectations (eventually) and get paid for that too. They get a CMYK image, they make a proof someone color corrects it and they get a print. That it's inefficient is really another debate.

All I want to do is
correctly convert their files to RGB so I can work with them for what I need
to do. What's amazing, is that THEY can't even convert them to RGB because
they haven't given themselves the tools to do it correctly for lack of color
management.

There are ways to handle this that do not require embedded profiles in those CMYK images.

How can we make it better? Surely, you're not suggesting that this current
lack of knowledge is a good thing.

I'm saying that embedding profiles in CMYK images isn't panacea. They aren't a replacement for direct communication.

Could this mean correctly displays on a monitor or prints to a Lambda or 11
color inkjet printer? We're way past the point where files are always going
to press, yet people keep sending out mystery CMYK files and wondering why
they get unpredictable results. I suspect that there's an understanding
among the press people that if they can keep themselves and their clients in
the dark ages, then they can retain a lock on their incomes. The day color
management works in their shop, the days of endless proof$ and color edit$
might be over.

I don't think this is a conscious decision on their part, to subvert color management. Their experiences, for various reasons, have been negative. And even to this day there are pieces of equipment and software that cause undesirable conversions too easily. Yes it's a workflow problem, but *that* is not easy to solve. When vendors screw up implementation of color management, we have to live with those screwups for YEARS.

Chris Murphy
Color Remedies (TM)
www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor
---------------------------------------------------------
Co-author "Real World Color Management"
Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6)
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References: 
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: Roberto Michelena <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: John Zimmerer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: Chris Murphy <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: John Zimmerer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: Chris Murphy <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: John Zimmerer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: Chris Murphy <email@hidden>)
 >Re: untagged RGB data (From: "john c." <email@hidden>)

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