Re: Response to Darrian Young's queries on ICS/SWOP certification
Re: Response to Darrian Young's queries on ICS/SWOP certification
- Subject: Re: Response to Darrian Young's queries on ICS/SWOP certification
- From: oscar sanchez <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:56:51 +0100
Great response David! Now everything is clear.
thanks, oscar
[post] Anybody can tell me where to get the Squid? Sequel site has no
info at all.
I looked at the web pages and downloaded the brochure but could not
find a
list of the file formats supportes. The images on the web showed
images,
but I did not see pages. Does Remote Director open up the Postscript
which
will be sent to the RIP or the PDF(x) file? This of course is
necessary to
check fonts, overprints, etc. as color is important, but not
everything. I
was also curious to know if the preview in Remote Proof is exactly
the same
as in Photoshop. If it is not, (because it is better) what
workaround do
you recommend for the problem that the retouching is done seeing one
thing,
and proofing another? If it is the same, what benefits are there ten
other
than markup tools?
For better answers to your questions on Remote Director, my suggestion
would be to contact Dan Caldwell at ICS (email@hidden).
Since
I haven't (personally) worked on Remote Director, I'd prefer to let him
provide more details. Also see the Application Data Sheet for Remote
Director
on the SWOP web site, as described later on in this post.
Also: if you look at the "News and Events" page on the www.icscolor.com
and click on the "Go To" link for the 2nd news item ("ICS Introduces
Remote Director 2.0"), there's a reasonable amount of detail which
would
be useful for you to look at (this isn't the same as the .pdf product
brochure).
It's worth noting that basICColor Display supports measuring
devices other than the EyeOne, such as the new Sequel
Squid display calibrator, which is suitable for taking
measurements from both CRTs and LCDs. I've obtained excellent
results from calibrating my 22" Apple LCD with the Squid,
which means that it is well worth considering as a lower
cost alternative for measuring devices.>
Ah THIS is incredible!! Up to here everything looks interesting but
this
last part is somewhat humorous.
Sorry, I didn't mean it to be...:-) I didn't say that using the Squid
to
calibrate an Apple LCD means that it's SWOP certified, only that I
thought the
results were excellent. A calibration produced by measuring with the
EyeOne
is even better, but even -that- is not officially SWOP certified
unless it's
done according to a very specific set of hardware/software
configurations, as
I'll outline in more detail below.
However, with that said: we will also say that we see no difference in
color quality between the Squid and the EyeOne when either device is
used
to profile a Cinema Display. The difference is speed only; the EyeOne
takes
measurements about 3x faster.
If you want to do the standards thing, you
have to do go the whole way.
Agreed!
If the certification involves the i1,
It does...
the
Apple LCD,
No. The Apple Cinema Display, not a more generic Apple LCD..
and basICColor display,
It doesn't, the SWOP certification was done only with Remote Director.
then you cannot now change the device
simply because you get good results in your opinion.
If you change any part of the specification, then the configuration
isn't
SWOP certified. To be even more technically accurate, there are further
distinctions and qualifications to mention. I didn't do this in my
first post in the hope of trying to simplify things, but to be as
accurate
as I can, here goes:
- For starters, the Application Data Sheet (ADS) is on the www.swop.org
site. It explains how any SWOP approved system is used to produce the
color that passed the certification process. If you look at:
http://www.swop.org/certification.html, there's a link to the ICS
Remote Director 2.0 data sheet there, which you can download and read.
- SWOP certification is only for Apple -Cinema- Displays, and so,
SWOP certification would not include the Apple 17" LCD or any of the
other
Apple-branded LCDs. At the moment, the Apple web site doesn't mention
this,
but the distinction certainly does exist.
- Both the original 22" and the subsequent 23"D Apple Cinema Displays
have been SWOP certified with Remote Director.
- There are also some other very specific parameters that apply to the
SWOP
certification, for instance, that the ACD has to be calibrated to a
specific
luminance.
- SWOP certification was only done with Remote Director, so it has not
been
given to basICColor Display.
Can I say then that I
get good results with the Apple Display, the i1 and ProfileMaker, for
example, so you do not need the basICColor software?
You could certainly say that, but you would also have to observe that
the
EyeOne/ProfileMaker combination has not been SWOP-certified under any
configuration with any LCD display, Apple Cinema or otherwise. Does
this
mean that you won't get good results with the EyeOne and ProfileMaker?
No.
But you may well get better results with the EyeOne and basICColor
Display.
To sum up:
- SWOP certification only applies to a very specific hardware,
software, and
device. Nothing else is SWOP certified. The only people who could use
a SWOP
certified system would be those using that configuration, which
requires both
the EyeOne and ICS Remote Director. There are no other
hardware/software
combinations for display soft proofing that are SWOP certified.
- With that said, anyone looking for superior results with 3rd party
display calibration solutions has to rely on sifting through publicly
posted
comments from users and experts, and the occasional magazine review or
technical paper.
- What's worth consideration here is that -one- particular set of
technologies
(in ICS Remote Director) has become SWOP certified under specific
conditions
as outlined here... and that since the same technologies are built into
basICColor Display, you can expect similar performance when using it
with
a measuring device such as the EyeOne. The algorithms which work so
well
in the SWOP certified configuration will also work well outside of it.
- We believe you'll get comparable results for LCD calibration,
whether you
use an EyeOne or a Sequel Squid to calibrate using basICColor Display.
If
"slower" is not a problem (and 3x slower than the EyeOne is still
reasonably
quick), then the price difference between the two devices can be an
important consideration.
Regards,
David Miller
Integrated Color Solutions
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