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Re: Match the Proofer? (rambling part 1)
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Re: Match the Proofer? (rambling part 1)


  • Subject: Re: Match the Proofer? (rambling part 1)
  • From: "Terence L. Wyse" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:50:39 -0400

Boy, this is good thread. Almost a duplicate of what regularly pops up on the ACT list. I have a LOT of (random) thoughts on this topic but I'll try to make some sense of it.

Part of this whole "problem" comes down to...do we tolerate multiple "custom" profiles that are specific to each print vendor or even printer/press/paper specific or do we push for standards-based printing (TR001, TR004)?

The color management consultant "purist" in me sez to let each printer profile their specific/unique press/print conditions and either take in tagged RGB and convert or let customers "in the pressroom" by handing out their press profile.

The ex-scanner operator/prepress operator "realist" in me sez this is nuts to expect those on the outside to have enough faith that I'll do the RGB-CMYK conversion to their satisfaction OR for them to have to deal with umpteen press profiles from every print vendor they may have to deal with, assuming they even would KNOW who is eventually going to get the job.

The more press calibration/profiling I do out in the real world, the more I'm convinced that standard print conditions/characterization are the only way to really resolve this situation. I'll tell you what, if I was a print buyer, I'd first talk to my printer and determine first if they're a web publication shop (TR001/SWOP) or if they're a commercial shop (could be web or sheetfed which would point to TR004/GRACoL). Once that is known, then target your images to their general print conditions with one of these two "standards". Now comes the hard part; tell them what you've done and then insist that they print to these conditions or else and that you will supply them a proof (inkjet?) that can be VERIFIED to comply with that spec, this way you BOTH have a responsibility. I'd basically have my ducks in a row as far as my proofing system (provide colorimetric data that shows that your proff complies) and sort of jam this down their throats and expect THEM to print to these widely-accepted print conditions. If they balk, then keep shopping until you've found a printer that's down their homework and has brought their pressroom into compliance. End of story.

Before I have all the printers jump on me for this, I've been there and I know where you're coming from. But since the advent of CtP, things have gotten sort of out of control. I would venture to say there's LESS printers today printing to something resembling a standard than there was 15-20 years ago. The basic problem is that many printers, rather than adjust plate curves to bring them back to a "standard", are thinking that they are printing "better" now that they have CtP when in fact most will admit that 1) they can no longer match supplied CMYK images (too flat/sharp) and 2) they can't hit Pantone process builds anymore.

continued on part 2.......2 embed or not 2 embed: that is the question. :-)

Cheers,
Terry

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