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Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on
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Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on


  • Subject: Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on
  • From: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 10:22:22 -0400

It's hard to keep Bob's comment strictly in context. John, you make a number of valid points in my view. Interesting this debate about "to tag or not to tag" for all kinds of reasons. It saddens me to no end that in the current state of color management evolution, we have access to more and more better instruments and software and hardware to manage color, still there is this needle in our heel called "legacy people", old CMYK mentality, old ways of doing things and stuborn, technically incompetent folks. I understand a large part of the industry has no interest whatsoever of either upgrading their equipment or retraining their staff to keep up with the modern demands of color printing. They're perfectly happy to operate aroud their presses the same way they've accustomed to for the last fifteeen years. To me, they won't be able to keep their head in the sand forever. Tagging is fast becoming a way of life. Whether indirectly, through some clever archiving and file naming structure, or more appropriately through Photoshop; it's the only long term salvation for color and the safest way of not ending one's days in a mental institute. Like John indicated, jobs and files get passed along and re-used all the time. Welcome to the real world or print production.

Roger Breton

On 29-May-04, at 8:29 AM, jc castronovo wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Smith"

Why do others have to conclude that it's wrong to embed a CMYK
profile, just so that there's LESS chance that the printer can screw
it up?

You just answered your own question. There's less chance that the job
gets screwed up.

Are you saying that the level of expertise can be so poor at the press that
I have to do everything possible to prevent a disaster short of running the
thing myself? That's pretty sad and pretty lazy on their part. They get a
pass because I didn't take every precaution necessary against them hosing my
job? Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of really great and knowledgeable
press people, but the industry is being led in the wrong direction by those
who oppose profiling, and for some very poor reasons.

I used to have this uncle (I think he learned to drive in the dark ages) who
stopped and blew his horn at every intersection in town, even when he had
the right of way - it was frightening!

When will it be safe to assume that a professional is working the other end?
If he needs to ignore the profile, then he should do so. I'm comfortable
with that because I prepped it correctly to his specs - only joking, we
usually can't get specs - so I prepped it for SWOP because that's all I had
to go on. I'd really prefer to give profiled RGB and let the "expert"
convert it for his conditions, but that's really asking for trouble if you
don't know who's on the other end.

The file's not going anywhere else. We're talking about files prepped
for the final destination.

Ah, if it were only true. It would be nice if files evaporated after
printing. Unfortunately I get untagged CMYK files all the time from agencies
and designers to be made into everything from Duratrans and LVT
transparencies to 'c' prints, posters and trade show exhibits. These
archived images are usually picked up from jobs that were prepped for
press - sometimes years ago, sometimes from an overseas office, etc. Who
knows what the conditions were now?

Even assuming the above... a printer that I've prepped a file for wants
to send it to some different device... he only needs to assume the
proper profile for his press/proofer because that's what I prepped the
file for. No guessing needed.

Yes, but only you and the printer know for sure. What about the rest of the
planet?

:-)

john c.
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 >Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on (From: "jc castronovo" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on (From: Bob Smith <email@hidden>)
 >Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on (From: "jc castronovo" <email@hidden>)

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