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Re: Real world experience w/ GMG and Oris RIPs
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Re: Real world experience w/ GMG and Oris RIPs


  • Subject: Re: Real world experience w/ GMG and Oris RIPs
  • From: Terry Wyse <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:25:35 -0500


On Nov 17, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Dan Gillespie wrote:

Rampage's calibration procedure and color manageability is a joke in
comparison to the tools available in either Oris's ColorTuner or GMG's
Colorproof 04. Rampage did not even compete in the 2004 IPA Color Proofing
RoundUP presumably because the product is not comparable to most serious
color proofing RIP's. Also, when you take proofing off-line you don't run
the risk of creating a bottle neck for plate or film production.


Sorry, I just can't QUITE let this one go without a comment. And DanG, you know I love you so don't take my response personal. Maybe we could argue the merits of Rampage's calibration process over a micro-brew sometime. :-)

Rampage's calibration process is complicated for sure, but it CAN be quite powerful. Once you've set your per-channel limits, light/dark crossover points and linearized your proofer for dot area ("Actual" curves in Rampage with a linear or default "Desired" curve only), you can actually use Rampage's "Desired" curves to your advantage. I've used them to achieve a "linearized-for-chroma" calibration as well as gray-balanced calibrations or L* linearizations. Since it's on a per-channel basis, you can linearize the CMY for chroma and the K for L*. It's all up to you what you want to achieve as opposed to other RIPs locking you into what THEIR idea of ideal calibration is. Personally, I like choices. Once you achieve your ideal calibration, you then profile on top of this. AND Rampage supports Device Link profiles as well as standard ICC profiles.

Rampage probably only has two serious shortcomings that I can think of: 1) lack of in-RIP TOTAL ink limiting and 2) a colorimetric calibration/re-calibration process. And the second one you could say of a LOT of proofing RIPs....except for at least one. Frankly, even the lack of in-RIP total ink limiting is only a problem with certain devices, particularly Photo Dye ink Epsons.

The comment "Also, when you take proofing off-line you don't run the risk of creating a bottle neck for plate or film production.", I'm sure exactly what you mean by that Dan. I think in every case I've ever set up Rampage ICC proofing (RAMproof Direct+ICC), it's ALWAYS run on a stand-alone box. That's actually one of the beauties of the system; The native high-rez (platesetter resolution) RIP data is processed on one box and the proofing is done on a separate box where the data is sampled down from platesetter rez to proofing resolution and then color-managed. As a result, Rampage's rendering of text and other vector data is generally superior to other proofing RIPs that will use relatively low resolution contone data. And, of course, the fact that Rampage is proofing from the SAME native data that will be used to image plates later in the production process.

The only drawback in this scenario is that ANY data going to the proofer first has to be submitted into the Rampage workflow before it can be proofed. So there's no, for example, printing/proofing direct from an application or dropping a few loose images into a hot folder without first importing the files into the Rampage system. Maybe this is what Dan was referring to, the fact that ANY proofing has to first get into the workflow system, potentially slowing down other production jobs.

There, I feel better now!


Cheers, Terry _____________________________ WyseConsul Color Management Consulting email@hidden 704.843.0858 http://www.colormanagementgroup.com http://www.wyseconsul.com (coming soon)

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