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Re: Who does the seperations?
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Re: Who does the seperations?


  • Subject: Re: Who does the seperations?
  • From: "Richard Frederickson [Contr]" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:43:25 -0500

Just a couple of thoughts to add to Ray's remarks:

1) You're making a big leap of faith assuming photographers are the wellspring of all images. I've seen a lot a very nice work coming from designers and traditional media artists; and keep in mind, the kids today have grown up with digital and are well versed in the medium.

2) I was in a used bookstore the other day perusing through some old books, then came home and picked-up a "how-to" book my daughter checked out of the library. Wow, what a difference! We've come a long way since the "good ol' days."

3) For good or bad, the reality is that "the prepress house and their highly skilled scanner operators and separators" have gone the way of the dodo and economic pressures have forced those responsibilities upstream in the process. After all, the public only sees the picture in print. If it looks good and evokes the intended reaction, then the photographer does good work. If it looks bad, then it must have been done by a poor photographer.

In an ideal world, the question really should be "in light of the intent of the piece, who is in the best position to make the decisions of what compromises are acceptable to bring the image to reality when expressed as ink on paper." I would argue the producer of the image is--be they photographer, designer, or artist. Only they know the intent.

The corollary to this is "who has the most at stake?" If it is the publisher, then they should be willing to provide an imaging editor to shepherd the project. If it is the ad agency, then it is their best interest to insure the piece prints well. And if it is the photographer, then it is in his or her best interest to do the task (or hire one of those out-of-work separators to do it for them).

With this said, economics trump the ideal in just about all cases--so in reality, it falls to the source to provide a usable image for the "95%" of applications (think stock photo). For the other 5%, somebody has to be willing to step up to the plate and shell out the capital necessary to "to do the job right."

Sincerely,
Richard



Karsten Krüger wrote:

The style of naming Klaus Karcher suggests will work for closed environment productions. But for industry wide standardization it is too complicated and confusing. Just go and tell a casual ad agency photoshopper to use 20 different ICC profiles to do his job and he will kill you. He will just understand that the production will be on coated or uncoated paper or is a newspaper add. Sometimes he even does not know this and has to make assumptions.

All of this discussion of naming CMYK separation profiles brings up a underling problem in our industry.

Let's go back to "the good ole days"...

A photographer shot a transparency.

A prepress house made separations (film and proof) knowing the press and paper that was going to be used.

The printer printed the job and matched the proof.

The Ideallience has set a standard for shipping photographic files. It is RGB not CMYK.

The only person who can do a good separation is the person who knows the characteristics of the press, paper, and ink.

So I ask...Should the photographer make a separation?

When did it become the photographer's job to do separations?

Who has all the information to do a top notch separation? Is it the photorgrapher or the printer?

What happened to the prepress house and their highly skilled scanner operators and separators?

What are your thoughts?

Ray Maxwell


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