Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 4, Issue 362
Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 4, Issue 362
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One important thing to consider is the serviving of the instrument. It should be sent for
recalibration after a certain period of time . Also to replace the bulb gets very
expensive on the iSiS or the icColor. It might be cheaper to get a new eye one. Consider
the shipping costs as well as having the instrument gone for a period of time.
Regards
Andre
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> 1. Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile (Terry Wyse)
> 2. Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile (St?phane Beaudry)
> 3. Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile (Scott Martin)
> 4. Monitor Recommendation (Young, Rich A.)
> 5. Re: Monitor Recommendation (Jon Crook)
> 6. RE: Monitor Recommendation (Robert Rock)
> 7. camera profiling for Phase One backs and Capture One (eric@poem)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:37:35 -0400
> From: Terry Wyse <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile
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> On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Olivier Desmaison wrote:
>
> > How would you compare iSis to DTP70 for accuracy ? I live very well
> > with the
> > latter, but the extended range of measurements of GMB instruments
> > has always
> > puzzled me.
>
>
> I don't know about ACCURACY at this point (it's on my to-do list to
> compare the iSis to my DTP70 using my "Net Profiled" SpectroEye as
> the reference instrument) but the iSis is a bit more consistent/
> repeatable than the DTP70. Others have compared the two and have had
> similar conclusions.
>
> From a "visual" standpoint, I believe my iSis is giving me profiles
> (I use GMG mostly) that are more visually neutral than my DTP70. The
> DTP70, whether in no filter or UV-cut mode, also seemed to produce
> neutral grays that were a bit on the yellow-ish/green-ish side. This
> seemed to hold true whether I was using GMG device links or standard
> ICC profiles. I'm perceiving my iSis profiles as being much improved
> in this regard.
>
> Without question, the paper/media handling of the iSis is much better
> than the DTP70. I just had a case last week where I had to feed a
> chart 2-3 times thru a DTP70 because of slip slippage in the rollers
> and where the length of the chart dropping over the feed tray caused
> a slight pull on the chart causing an alignment failure near the end
> of the measurement cycle (it always seema to fail just as it gets to
> the last 2-4 rows of patches! Grrr!). The iSis on the other hand
> passes the paper FLAT through the instrument had seems to have a much
> more positive paper feed/roller mechanism. Just a better built
> instrument in my opinion. About the only thing I miss about the DTP70
> is the ability to do both black and white-backed measurements.
>
> Regards,
> Terry
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:43:27 -0400
> From: St?phane Beaudry <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile
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> The iSis was one of the easiest device to integrate into our own profiling
> software, it is very reliable (never froze during a reading) and reads a
> target at a good speed.
>
>
> Stéphane Beaudry
> TGLC Color Management Inc.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Wyse" <email@hidden>
> To: "ColorSync User List List" <email@hidden>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile
>
>
> >
> > Hello David,
> >
> > I don't know how much profiling you do but I'd consider the Eye-One iSis,
> > Monaco PROFILER and ColorEyes Display Pro with the DTP94 bundle.
> >
> > The Eye-One Pro is a versatile spectro but it tends to be the "Jack of
> > all trades, master of none" instrument. The Eye-One Isis on the other
> > hand is both faster and much more consistent/repeatable than the Eye-One
> > Pro and is switchable between UV-cut and no filter measurements. You'd
> > need two Eye-One Pros to do that.
> >
> > As for display measurements, I believe it's still generally accepted that
> > a colorimeter like the DTP94 does an overall better job than a pure
> > spectro like the Eye-One Pro. Even though I use an Eye-One for my
> > displays (it's faster than a colorimeter), the results I get with my
> > DTP94 are "better" especially in the shadows where the results tend to be
> > smoother with the Eye-One.
> >
> > As for profiling software, both major packages (ProfileMaker and Monaco)
> > do a decent job but Monaco tends to produce the better separation
> > profiles (smoother, better GCR in my opinion) and are more accurate for
> > things such as proofing. I've done some testing in the last month,
> > repeating some tests I did a few years ago, which showed that
> > ProfileMaker produced the slightly better A2B conversion but Monaco
> > PROFILER always had the better/more accurate B2A conversion.
> >
> > In my world, I tend to need both packages. While I prefer Monaco's
> > profiles and feel they are superior to ProfilerMaker's, ProfilerMaker has
> > the better supporting cast....Measure Tool, ColorPicker and Profile
> > Editor. I've used X-Rite's ColorPort for a long time, especially for my
> > DTP70 but I've gone back to Measure Tool recently ever since I got my new
> > iSis XL and now I'm preferring Measure Tool over ColorPort for most chart
> > creation and measurement tasks.
> >
> > Just my 2 delta E worth,
> > Terry Wyse
> >
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2007, at 7:55 AM, David Scharf wrote:
> >
> >> I am about to upgrade my printers, spectrophotometer, and software
> >> packages. My current thinking is to get an Eye One Pro, Profilemaker 5,
> >> and Color Eyes or BasICColor. I wanted to get any feedback and
> >> recommendations on the selection as well as any recommendations for
> >> where to buy it at a decent price. Please feel free to respond on the
> >> forum or contact me off line.
> >
> > _____________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:35:40 -0500
> From: Scott Martin <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Recommendations for Spectro and Profile
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> On Oct 11, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Terry Wyse wrote:
>
> > I don't know how much profiling you do but I'd consider the Eye-One
> > iSis, Monaco PROFILER and ColorEyes Display Pro with the DTP94
> > bundle... In my world, I tend to need both packages. While I prefer
> > Monaco's profiles and feel they are superior to ProfilerMaker's,
> > ProfilerMaker has the better supporting cast
>
> I second Terry's recommendations on all points. Couldn't have said
> them better myself.
>
> Scott Martin
> www.on-sight.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:09:10 -0500
> From: "Young, Rich A." <email@hidden>
> Subject: Monitor Recommendation
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> Hi,
> Our company is in the process of replacing all CRT monitors with Dell 19" flat screens.
The Dell's look awful and we're having a real hard time getting an accurate looking
picture even with the Color Vision Spyder2Pro system. Our tech support guys came by and
tried taking my Sony Trinitron model GDM-C520 in return for one of the Dells. Can someone
recommend a better flat screen in the 23" inch range? I also have to justify why I need
something better than a Dell. Can anyone help me out with some good reasons?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Young
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:14:24 -0500
> From: Jon Crook <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Monitor Recommendation
> To: "Young, Rich A." <email@hidden>, ColorSync
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> Eizo FlexScan S2410W
> I bought 5 of these for my department and I couldn't be happier.
>
>
> On 10/11/07 1:09 PM, "Young, Rich A." <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Our company is in the process of replacing all CRT monitors with Dell 19" flat
> > screens. The Dell's look awful and we're having a real hard time getting an
> > accurate looking picture even with the Color Vision Spyder2Pro system. Our
> > tech support guys came by and tried taking my Sony Trinitron model GDM-C520 in
> > return for one of the Dells. Can someone recommend a better flat screen in the
> > 23" inch range? I also have to justify why I need something better than a
> > Dell. Can anyone help me out with some good reasons?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rich Young
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0400
> From: "Robert Rock" <email@hidden>
> Subject: RE: Monitor Recommendation
> To: "'Young, Rich A.'" <email@hidden>,
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> The bargain of the century, if you can find them (I think they are only in
> BestBuy at the moment) is the new Samsung 22" 226CW. This is NOT the same as
> the models with "BW". This is a brand new model, which is why not too many
> stores have it yet. It's got a new technology called "wide color gamut" or
> extended color gamut, or something to that effect. This is NOT the same as
> the "BW" models. It must be the "CW" model.
>
> I bought one for a friend of mine doing lots of Photoshop work on an old MAC
> Powerbook laptop. The screen was pitiful so he needed a relatively
> inexpensive external screen that was also fairly accurate. After a little
> research we came up with this. The screen out of the box was so amazingly
> accurate that he would have been fine even without it being profiled. Used
> it for two days before he took it away. And it was only $379.00 !!
> I was blown away by it. Profiled it using Monaco Profiler, checked again in
> two days and it didn't drift at all.
>
> An amazing little screen for the money. Check it out.
>
> The Samsung info is here: http://tinyurl.com/39zmzo
> The link on BestBuy is here: http://tinyurl.com/2lfvsg
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bob
>
>
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> Behalf Of Young, Rich A.
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:09 PM
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Monitor Recommendation
>
> Hi,
> Our company is in the process of replacing all CRT monitors with Dell 19"
> flat screens. The Dell's look awful and we're having a real hard time
> getting an accurate looking picture even with the Color Vision Spyder2Pro
> system. Our tech support guys came by and tried taking my Sony Trinitron
> model GDM-C520 in return for one of the Dells. Can someone recommend a
> better flat screen in the 23" inch range? I also have to justify why I need
> something better than a Dell. Can anyone help me out with some good reasons?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Young
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:59:58 +0100
> From: "eric@poem" <email@hidden>
> Subject: camera profiling for Phase One backs and Capture One
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> Hi, anyone had experience with making profiles for use within the
> Capture One?
> I have a client who wants to use the Capture One interface, but wants
> a more colour accurate capture, they are producing mail order
> catalogues and want the rendition as accurate as possible to cut down
> on colour retouching.
> The software says it supports ICC profiles, but I get very different
> results inside the software than I do in Photoshop.
> Can anyone give me some pointers?
>
> Eric Nunn
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