Re: Canon IR4580 and EFI H1 embedded rip
Re: Canon IR4580 and EFI H1 embedded rip
- Subject: Re: Canon IR4580 and EFI H1 embedded rip
- From: email@hidden
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:21:54 +0800
Hi, Steve,
Since you're dealing with Canon iRC4580i with EFI server H1 embedded,
there're certain ways to manage the color output quality.
First, I'd like to suggest you perform an auto gradation adjusting on the
machine, it will be: additional function> Adjustment/Cleaning> Auto
gradation adjustment, a quick adjustment will be ok, in this procedure,
machine will print CMYK patches on transferring belt, an embedded
densimeter will detect every density to compensate those to reach the
standard.
After auto gradation adjustment finished, you could performance the server
calibration, I'd like to suggest you access a spectrometer ES-1000 or
eye-one for more actual measure result. You could run Command Workstation,
login as Administrator, go to Server> Color Server > Calibration, choose
ES-1000/eye-one, then print measure chat and the get the measure data, if
the measured solid densities is far beyond the standard, I'd like to
suggest that you report it to local Canon service.
Or you could email me directly for detailed guide.
Hope you enjoy printing with Canon.
Cheers,
Rebecca Peng∣彭 丽瑞
Color System Solution Specialist
Canon (China) Co., Ltd. Shanghai Branch
F13, Central Plaza, No.381 Middle Huaihai Rd. Shanghai, 200020
Tel:(021) 6391 6500 * 371 Fax:(021) 6391 6055
www.canon.com.cn
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1. Re: Financial Times profile (Sascha Bugai)
2. Re: Financial Times profile (Mike Strickler)
3. Canon IR4580 and EFI H1 embedded rip (Steve Laws)
4. Re: BaseLin files (Richard Apollo)
5. DeviceLink profiles: A new look (Louis Dery)
6. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (mo)
7. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (Louis Dery)
8. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (Andrew Rodney)
9. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (mo)
10. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (mo)
11. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (John Romano)
12. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (mo)
13. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (Louis Dery)
14. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (John Romano)
15. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (Louis Dery)
16. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (John Romano)
17. Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look (Louis Dery)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:11:26 +0200
From: Sascha Bugai <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Financial Times profile
To: email@hidden
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[...] straight from the specs: The Financial Times has a network of
approved reprographic suppliers. These companies will on receipt of
your digital file, verify and if necessary correct the advertisement
to meet the FT specification. In addition to this, you will be
supplied with a colorbus proof on FT stock, with the FT proofing
curve applied. This will give an accurate representation of the final
printed result. Upon your approval, an approved supplier will supply
the FT production department with a colorbus proof, and an electronic
file to FT specification, ready for publication.
FT Approved Supplier (US):
SCI, Tel: 201 935 4401, Contact: Keith Puzio and Eileen Krzemenski
Best regards,
Sascha Bugai
Jung von Matt/basis GmbH
Glashüttenstraße 38
20357 Hamburg
Tel: +49/40/4321-1299
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Am 08.04.2008 um 21:04 schrieb email@hidden:
> Does anyone know where to find a CMYK profile for The Financial
> Times? I'm assuming that because of the strong pink color of the
> paper, the normal SNAP profile will not be correct.
>
>
> Chris Protopapas
> ************
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:32:01 -0700
From: Mike Strickler <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Financial Times profile
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If their prepress dept. doesn't have one, what about measuring the
substrate and editing the white point of the SNAP profile to match?
Mike Strickler
MSP Graphic Services
423 Aaron St. Suite E
Cotati, CA 94931
707.664.1628
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> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:46:41 -0400
> From: Chris Protopapas <email@hidden>
> Subject: Financial Times profile
> To: ColorSync Users Mailing List <email@hidden>
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>
> Does anyone know where to find a CMYK profile for The Financial
> Times? I'm assuming that because of the strong pink color of the
> paper, the normal SNAP profile will not be correct.
>
>
> Chris Protopapas
> ************
> email@hidden
> Fuel Digital Inc.
> 902 Broadway, 11th Floor
> New York, NY 10010
> P 212-564-4646 F 212-947-9984
> www.fueldigitalinc.com
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:51:15 -0500
From: Steve Laws <email@hidden>
Subject: Canon IR4580 and EFI H1 embedded rip
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Hi All
Does anyone know if this combination (Canon IR4580 and EFI H1 embedded
rip) can be color managed properly? I have hunted in the manuals,
software, drivers and the internet trying to figure out how to run
charts without an output profile to no avail. We are printing a
furniture catalog and I would like to get it closer than what are
getting now. Thanks in advance for any help.
smlaws
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:30:39 -0500
From: "Richard Apollo" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: BaseLin files
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> Rich,
>
> You didn't specify which printer and resolution you are using, but
> your best bet is in the Profiles folder installed with Designer
> Edition or a "close enough" provided baselin and profile on top of
> that. EFI provides very few profiles and baselins for non- EFI papers.
> If you use the files created for Colorproof XF with Designer Edition
> you must use the older- style BPL files and not the EPL files, which
> work only with XF.
>
> Mike Strickler
>
> EFI Colorproof XF
> Certified Installer and Trainer
Sorry, Mike.
I'm digging for a friend of mine. He's using a 9800 - I'm not sure about
the resolution. The machine he had driving this had to be reformatted. He
thought he'd be able to download new copies, but EFI is changing their
business model.
Thanks.
Rich Apollo
Prepress Mgr
Oklahoma Offset, Inc.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:05:18 -0400
From: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Subject: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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Hi,
A very good article about ICC DeviceLink profiles has just been
published on the New England Printer & Publisher web site:
"DeviceLink profiles: A new look".
http://www.pine.org/nepp/2008/04_08/lead_7.htm
The author, Ron Ellis, make a very good description of the benefits
and usages related to ICC DeviceLink profiles and ends its article
with the following:
"While many of these products are currently stand-alone products that
sit in front of the RIP, there is no doubt in the future that these
products will be built into every major RIP, and become a part of
daily life in many printing operations."
What do you think about it?
Also, take a look at this new ICC DeviceLink creation tools made by
TGLC inc.
PerfX Device Link™ and PerfX Device Link Pro™
http://www.tglc.com/english/PerfX/ICC_DeviceLink.html
There is also a brief description about what ICC Device Link
profiles can do.
Cheers,
Louis Dery
Color Management Expert
TGLC inc.
www.tglc.com
email@hidden
418-877-9114
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:14:06 -0700
From: mo <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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> "While many of these products are currently stand-alone products
> that sit in front of the RIP, there is no doubt in the future that
> these products will be built into every major RIP, and become a
> part of daily life in many printing operations."
>
> What do you think about it?
>
>
I think it's a band-aid approach to color management due to the
ridiculous workflow of current technology. Yes it will help, but its
not the solution to the problems the print industry has.
mo
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:28:59 -0400
From: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: mo <email@hidden>, ColorSync List
<email@hidden>
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mo,
can you explain or elaborate about "the ridiculous workflow of
current technology" ?
Saying this does not help to solve the problem.
What is your opinion about "the problems the print industry has"?
Louis Dery
Color Management Expert
TGLC inc.
www.tglc.com
email@hidden
418-877-9114
On Apr 9, 2008, at 1:14 PM, mo wrote:
>
>
>> "While many of these products are currently stand-alone products
>> that sit in front of the RIP, there is no doubt in the future that
>> these products will be built into every major RIP, and become a
>> part of daily life in many printing operations."
>>
>> What do you think about it?
>>
>>
>
> I think it's a band-aid approach to color management due to the
> ridiculous workflow of current technology. Yes it will help, but
> its not the solution to the problems the print industry has.
>
> mo
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:35:15 -0600
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Louis Dery <email@hidden>, Mike Ornellas <email@hidden>,
ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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On 4/9/08 11:28 AM, "Louis Dery" wrote:
> can you explain or elaborate about "the ridiculous workflow of
> current technology" ?
You asked for now!
Go mo, you da man. ;-)
Andrew
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:40:30 -0700
From: mo <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Louis Dery wrote:
> mo,
>
> can you explain or elaborate about "the ridiculous workflow of
> current technology" ?
> Saying this does not help to solve the problem.
> What is your opinion about "the problems the print industry has"?
>
>
>
The ridiculous workflow that I speak of is the lack of being able to
track image history. Adobe has tried with failure to implement Meta
Data. Adobe has tried to implement seamless color management with
Smart Objects. The ability to flatten a file has destroyed the
ability to track a files origination. The lack of a DAM color
management workflow from capture to output is non existent.
The problem in the print industry is that there is no REAL process
control for files.
mo
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:42:18 -0700
From: mo <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Andrew Rodney wrote:
> On 4/9/08 11:28 AM, "Louis Dery" wrote:
>
>> can you explain or elaborate about "the ridiculous workflow of
>> current technology" ?
>
> You asked for now!
>
> Go mo, you da man. ;-)
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
I wish Andrew.
Im just a nobody in the big scheme of things, but then again, most
positive innovations are created by people that have learned the hard
way.
;o)
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:43:03 -0400
From: John Romano <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Louis Dery <email@hidden>, ColorSync
<email@hidden>
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So yes this is a nice article but my question to the list is....
Is there anyone out there using DVLs at the PLATE, what Rips are capable
Of handling this ?
Having the Ability to use DVLs on the fly in plating would be
Ideal for Gamut mapping as well as Ink Savings.
Id like to take a separation that was for Sheetfed printing 340 tac
And throw it at an uncoated Web at 260 or 280 tac.
Is there anything out there that can do this, I know for sure
Kodak's EVO can not.
John Romano
On 4/9/08 1:05 PM, "Louis Dery" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A very good article about ICC DeviceLink profiles has just been
> published on the New England Printer & Publisher web site:
> "DeviceLink profiles: A new look".
>
> http://www.pine.org/nepp/2008/04_08/lead_7.htm
>
> The author, Ron Ellis, make a very good description of the benefits
> and usages related to ICC DeviceLink profiles and ends its article
> with the following:
>
> "While many of these products are currently stand-alone products that
> sit in front of the RIP, there is no doubt in the future that these
> products will be built into every major RIP, and become a part of
> daily life in many printing operations."
>
> What do you think about it?
>
>
>
> Also, take a look at this new ICC DeviceLink creation tools made by
> TGLC inc.
> PerfX Device Link and PerfX Device Link Pro
> http://www.tglc.com/english/PerfX/ICC_DeviceLink.html
>
> There is also a brief description about what ICC Device Link
> profiles can do.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Louis Dery
> Color Management Expert
> TGLC inc.
> www.tglc.com
> email@hidden
> 418-877-9114
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:51:11 -0700
From: mo <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: John Romano <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync <email@hidden>
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>
> Is there anything out there that can do this, I know for sure
> Kodak's EVO can not.
>
>
> John Romano
>
>
>
John -
You should be able to assign your source color space to the PDF and
refine it with the EVO system upon output.
You can create custom workflows that will behave just like a D-link
ICC profile, you just need to generate a double PDF output.
mo
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:08:43 -0400
From: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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John,
Many RIPs are compatible with DeviceLink profiles but users don’t
know or have been said to "turn off" this option!
Convert Sheetfed 340 seps to Web 260-280 seps… this is what an ICC
Devicelink can do!
There is simple ICC DeviceLink profiles = CMYK to CMYK conversion
like simple ICC profiles,
and there is "advanced" ICC DeviceLink profiles which can preserve
many original color characteristics like Black only, primary colors,
etc.
Applying ICC DeviceLinks profile in RIP requires "advanced" ICC
Devicelink profile.
Louis Dery
Color Management Expert
TGLC inc.
www.tglc.com
email@hidden
418-877-9114
___________________
So yes this is a nice article but my question to the list is....
Is there anyone out there using DVLs at the PLATE, what Rips are capable
Of handling this ?
Having the Ability to use DVLs on the fly in plating would be
Ideal for Gamut mapping as well as Ink Savings.
Id like to take a separation that was for Sheetfed printing 340 tac
And throw it at an uncoated Web at 260 or 280 tac.
Is there anything out there that can do this, I know for sure
Kodak's EVO can not.
John Romano
_____________________
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:12:52 -0400
From: John Romano <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Louis Dery <email@hidden>, ColorSync
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Hi Louis
Yes I understand this is what DVLs can do I just don't know
Of any Rip that can do this on the fly as you plate.
Like I mentioned I have EVO right now, and was originally told it could
Do this and it doesn't work correctly. So what does ?
You just say Many.....who ? If you don't mind me asking :)
On 4/9/08 2:08 PM, "Louis Dery" <email@hidden> wrote:
> John,
>
> Many RIPs are compatible with DeviceLink profiles but users don¹t
> know or have been said to "turn off" this option!
>
> Convert Sheetfed 340 seps to Web 260-280 sepsŠ this is what an ICC
> Devicelink can do!
> There is simple ICC DeviceLink profiles = CMYK to CMYK conversion
> like simple ICC profiles,
> and there is "advanced" ICC DeviceLink profiles which can preserve
> many original color characteristics like Black only, primary colors,
> etc.
>
> Applying ICC DeviceLinks profile in RIP requires "advanced" ICC
> Devicelink profile.
>
>
> Louis Dery
> Color Management Expert
> TGLC inc.
> www.tglc.com
> email@hidden
> 418-877-9114
>
> ___________________
> So yes this is a nice article but my question to the list is....
>
> Is there anyone out there using DVLs at the PLATE, what Rips are capable
> Of handling this ?
>
> Having the Ability to use DVLs on the fly in plating would be
> Ideal for Gamut mapping as well as Ink Savings.
>
> Id like to take a separation that was for Sheetfed printing 340 tac
> And throw it at an uncoated Web at 260 or 280 tac.
>
> Is there anything out there that can do this, I know for sure
> Kodak's EVO can not.
>
>
> John Romano
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>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:22:22 -0400
From: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
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Hi John,
Prinergy at the refine setup (tested); Rampage with InkDrop, Nexus, etc.
>> Check with the manufacturers for the complete information.
Sometimes, it is an option you have to buy in order to support ICC
DeviceLinks.
Louis Dery
Color Management Expert
TGLC inc.
www.tglc.com
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418-877-9114
__________
Hi Louis
Yes I understand this is what DVLs can do I just don't know
Of any Rip that can do this on the fly as you plate.
Like I mentioned I have EVO right now, and was originally told it could
Do this and it doesn't work correctly. So what does ?
You just say Many.....who ? If you don't mind me asking :)
_________
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:32:31 -0400
From: John Romano <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: Louis Dery <email@hidden>, ColorSync
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Hi Louis
We bought it, it doesn't work.
Prinergy does something different than EVO ?
I was told they are the same Color engine.....
So Prinergy will refine using a DVL ? you look at the seps and see what it
did ?
In Refine I was getting Reversals and severe posterization using standard
Photoshop profiles in my DVLs. I tested it with the Gracol #1 2006 as
source
to USWeb uncoated v2 as destination.
DVLs were made with Alwan Link Profiler and Profile wizard.
All options turned on and off....Many tested
I demo'd ColorHub and sent original pdfs through it, opened both EVO and
Alwan PDFs in Acrobat Pro.Opened image with edit image in Photoshop.
Alwans image was NICE as expected, EVO's was HOSED ! Reversed and
posterized.
All I can say is Alwan has a VERY nice product.
John
On 4/9/08 2:22 PM, "Louis Dery" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Prinergy at the refine setup (tested); Rampage with InkDrop, Nexus, etc.
>
>>> Check with the manufacturers for the complete information.
> Sometimes, it is an option you have to buy in order to support ICC
> DeviceLinks.
>
> Louis Dery
> Color Management Expert
> TGLC inc.
> www.tglc.com
> email@hidden
> 418-877-9114
>
> __________
> Hi Louis
>
> Yes I understand this is what DVLs can do I just don't know
> Of any Rip that can do this on the fly as you plate.
>
> Like I mentioned I have EVO right now, and was originally told it could
> Do this and it doesn't work correctly. So what does ?
>
> You just say Many.....who ? If you don't mind me asking :)
> _________
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:41:52 -0400
From: Louis Dery <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DeviceLink profiles: A new look
To: John Romano <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync <email@hidden>
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Hi John,
On Apr 9, 2008, at 2:32 PM, John Romano wrote:
> Hi Louis
>
> We bought it, it doesn't work.
Any bug report at Kodak?
>
> Prinergy does something different than EVO ?
Probably because it worked without any problems.
>
> I was told they are the same Color engine.....
>
> So Prinergy will refine using a DVL ? you look at the seps and see
> what it
> did ?
Yes, I checked the PDFs seps and everything was as expected.
>
> In Refine I was getting Reversals and severe posterization using
> standard
> Photoshop profiles in my DVLs. I tested it with the Gracol #1 2006
> as source
> to USWeb uncoated v2 as destination.
>
> DVLs were made with Alwan Link Profiler and Profile wizard.
> All options turned on and off....Many tested
>
> I demo'd ColorHub and sent original pdfs through it, opened both
> EVO and
> Alwan PDFs in Acrobat Pro.Opened image with edit image in Photoshop.
> Alwans image was NICE as expected, EVO's was HOSED ! Reversed and
> posterized.
>
> All I can say is Alwan has a VERY nice product.
Yes, and TGLC’s PerfX Device Linkt too!
http://www.tglc.com/english/PerfX/ICC_DeviceLink.html
Louis
>
>
>
> John
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