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Re: PS CMYK Conversions
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Re: PS CMYK Conversions


  • Subject: Re: PS CMYK Conversions
  • From: Mike Strickler <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:47:17 -0700


Wow, I pose a little question, go on vacation, come back, and it's still being debated. This is a first for me.

As I pointed out earlier 90% of the time we do not have any information
about the press running the job. The file could be printed on a digital
press, an inkjet, Web offset, sheetfed, we hardly ever know.


Right. So it may be better to leave images (not vector art) in RGB. But all of this is context-driven. If the same image is being repurposed to a variety of unknown output devices and just pushed out the door quickly we're talking about a different standard anyway...

Large multinational corps want their brand images to be reproduced where
they desire, when they desire and not to be told by the designers how to do
it.

Not sure I understand the context: Corporations don't design anything; their designers do. I think the question was about who performs CMYK conversions.


In that case, why embed profiles in the CMYK files? Are printers going to
follow the Adobe "safe color workflow", honor the numbers and ignore
embedded profiles before converting to their press space? If we create and
save files in the SWOP v2 color space why would those numbers not be
honored?

It's precisely because CMYK is device color and generally "honored," that is, not reseparated, that the conversion should be correctly done and appropriate for the type of output, at the very least with knowledge that the stock will be coated or uncoated. Doesn't matter whether a profile is embedded...


My sense from all of this is that
what some people want to do is just select Mode: CMYK and be done
with it. Thus the concern over the Photoshop default profiles (which
nonetheless could be updated).

Actually, the concern is over Illustrator and InDesign default color settings. I would prefer not to convert Photoshop images to CMYK.

Not sure I agree with that. The really critical colors in vector content will be specified as PMS colors. Photographs are another story.

Without some editing this will not compress nicely into the press gamut.
Maybe we should also discuss when, where and by whom this work should be done,

If the files need to be re-purposed further than the Adobe defaults of SWOP
v2 and Adobe RGB 1998 then the conversions should be done by someone with
more info about the final output.

Why have designers doing any conversions at all? Do you also have them sharpen the images for press? If not, don't have them converting either.


From reading this it seems printers would prefer CMYK files. Make them as
simple as possible, don't create anything that can't be converted to the
lowest common denominator (SWOP v2). If that gamut is too small use spot
colors and pay for the extra ink.

Does this make any sense? Too much trouble to convert to the right process color but not too much to make an extra bump plate?

When Adobe updates their default pre-sets the lowest common denominator may
move up a notch or two. I am not counting on this happening in CS4.

The defaults are just that; one shouldn't be relying on them.

Maybe Adobe will update faster now that the Ghent workgroup is recommending
the use of the updated SWOP and GRACoL profiles in PDF/X-4:
http://www.gwg.org/colormanagement.phtml

But one doesn't need to wait for that to select appropriate profiles for PDF creation.


Perhaps I could have phrased the question better because everyone is arguing about which profiles to use. I might have asked, who "prepares" RGB images for press, because this involves a number of things (soft-proofing, editing out-of gamut colors for difficult output conditions, sharpening) besides merely picking the right destination profile. No one used to have to ask this question, but since anyone now can make CMYK with a click...

Mike Strickler wrote:

It is far better
to manage expectations through education and certified proofs that
show the customers what they can expect on an IDEAL 4-color press of
the same type as specified (e.g., GRACoL, Fogra, etc.)

It would be even better if the design house had this capability on- site and
could manage the expectations from conception to implementation and then
could depend on reproducing those certified proofs in various locations over
time.


Many of us are working on that...

Mike Strickler
MSP Graphic Services
423 Aaron St. Suite E
Cotati, CA 94931
707.664.1628
email@hidden
www.mspgraphics.com


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