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Re: Images for print


  • Subject: Re: Images for print
  • From: "eric@poem" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:33:31 +0100

Hiya Bob

Trying to help everyone who is involved with getting a piece of work into print, from concept to final mass production, to understand that we are not a game of perfect, but a game of compromise, is something I've been involved with all my working life - well, ever since I understood that myself. Initially as a supplier in repro and latterly as a consultant.

Getting to a stage were you can what I call "predict the tick" on an image or proof means that you have to understand what makes the whole production trail work. I think this is the role traditionally that reprohouses filled, I still have a large hook, taken from a crane, that used to hang in my office - the hook I was never off of until the job I had supplied film for was printed, delivered and either safely in the waste basket or wrapping someone's fish and chips. (Sympathy for Mo here...) But we did have to have one foot in the conceptual camp, pink glasses and yellow socks, and the other in the mucky world of ink and paper, boiler suits and shrugged shoulders... if we were to get any job successfully out the door.

We are in a better position than ever before to predict the tick, and I totally agree that everyone involved has a responsibility and vested interest in ensuring that the rules of engagement are clearly understood, which is quite often not the case in the real world. In the past, the name of the game was so often Pete Seager-like... Little boxes on a hillside - with everyone strictly in their comfort zone - well the march of technology certainly made a shift of position necessary there.

It does not surprise me that early initiatives for standard for digital supply came from photographers, after all with the potential demise of the transparency something had to be done to make sense of the fidelity of their product. I can remember "guide" prints from early digital files so saturated that you needed RayBan's to view them! When the client got back a contract proof, (and by the way, we would not call what was supplied then a "contract proof" today, we have all learnt) and they were introduced to the wonderful small CMYK gamut, well they could hardly be blamed for throwing their toys out of the pram!

We have a different workflow emerging today. There fewer reprohouses, so the filter stage that they maybe provided is disappearing. So we have a content provider, a page designer/ artworker and a mass producer. It is even more important that from shutter click onwards the process is managed, there are just less people involved.

I would not expect anything supplied or processed by any member of this list to be wanting, but we are a forum of specialists ranging from enthusiastic journeymen to colour scientists, and we have made it our business to find the answers. What continues to amaze me, is just how many of our colleagues in the wider field don't even have the questions let alone the answers and are still knocking out work every day...

Eric
On 10 Oct 2008, at 13:04, Bob Marchant wrote:


On 10 Oct 2008, at 10:07, eric@poem wrote:
It seems to me that there is no excuse in this day and age for photographers, who after all are at the very start of our digital food-chain, to be paid to produce an image for print that cannot be satisfactorily and successfully reproduced, all the tools are there for them to ensure it can.

Hi Eric.

Well..........there's also no excuse in this day and age commissioners, producers , pre press and press not to be able to provide a CMYK spec for repro ( or even agreed RGB space ) but it still happens far too often

And it's kind of interesting to note that the first major initiatives for best practice guidelines for the supply of digital files for repro were instigated by photographers . Mostly because they were fed up with getting the blame for the errors of others.

The more cost conscious will go where the product costs them less in the end.

Ultimate cost is more than the sticker price.We find that many (including the cost conscious) will pay a good rate to get quality output at the photography stage because in the long term it saves them money to get it right at the beginning of the chain, and many seem especially keen to work with those who can support their output with experience and knowledge , even if that sometimes means ruffling a few feathers at the other end of the chain <g>.

Regards,

Bob Marchant.



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