Re: "Non-linear"?
Re: "Non-linear"?
- Subject: Re: "Non-linear"?
- From: Mo <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:06:20 -0700
You always use the *master* image, edit it to make it look the best
it can,
then convert it to this or that end use (print, web, what have you).
Each
final application makes the best use possible of the original file's
colors
and detail.
With all do respect, this is not how the actual World functions. I
understand how the workflow is sold.
You are speaking from once again and ideological best case, best
practice workflow. The applications are not designed nor geared
towards multiple users in many areas of graphics. Adobe products are
developed for the individual idiotology so when that individual passes
their work onto another user , things break.
Believe me, I understand enough to ask you this: isn't it *your* job
to take
the image and make it into what the client wants it to be, to the
extent
that it's reasonable and feasible? Why would it be important that
the client
care about file management, etc.?
Why yes production people are asked to do many unrealistic things to
images all the time because of the levels of understanding of
individuals. Some requests are unrealistic, but there are companies
such as Apple computer which spends at times, 10K on one image that
has about 25 to 30 rounds of color adjustments and retouching edits -
as one example. So yes, there are sales people that promise the sky
and there are customers that believe the sales peoples sky and
therefore, it is required that a service company be able to deliver
that request. So, in an idealistic World that you have been sold,
going back to a master file that does not exist anymore for whatever
reason, is not the actual World that I work in - nor the majority of
other users.
Are you required to know about car mechanics when you take your car
to the
shop for repair, or do you just want the car to work when you pick
it up
later, for a reasonable price?
Do you believe in having many people work on your car and sometimes
more then one person at one time? Do you also believe in having your
car worked on by many shops at one time? Do you believe in having your
car receive Toyota parts when you have a Ford? Well that is how the
actual graphics World functions. Many people, many parts, at many
times all over the place. Again, the graphics software is not designed
to handle multiple users in multiple situations. Therefore, things
break often including your assumption that a MASTER file shall be
available.
That's certainly not what I'm asking of "all users". *We* in the
imaging
professions must know what we are doing, but we're certainly not
here to
save the world from itself. We're here to do our work the best way
we are
able to. What we can't control we must either avoid, or handle in
some way
if we can't avoid it.
No. Everyone is now a professional it's just that some professional
are better then others. Saving the World should be everyones
priority. To make the software better is what is required by all
professionals. What you can't control, I CAN'T AVOID and that is the
problem. Burying you head in the sand is no excuse for a job well
done. I see you are still an old school thinker.
"Selfish"? Who is "selfish"? We're in business: *everyone* must be
somewhat
"selfish" to stay in business! What's that got to do with this?
"Art"? Most of the time customers want images that aid them in
selling more
goods. "Art" is seldom the point.
Art is in the artist conceptions that tries to come to fruition. Most
suck at it and the software does no help to ascertain that goal. But
boy can we play to no end with ourselves. You call that good? I sure
don't. I call that a waste of time and yes I make a very good living
at wasting time with other's so called art. I am a proponent for
change for the betterment of all. I'm actually offering advice on how
things should change and to eliminate position to some extent. What
have you thought of about making things better in the graphics world?
Hmm¿
People need a road map to success and the current implementation of
color
management has had little success in trying to accomplish better
art and
educating users.
Yes, here is your old argument again, Mike, the one from a while
back over
the "failure of color management". I remember now.
Yes, The science works, the implementation is Broken. Listen to me
very carefully. It is BROKEN~!
I'm sorry that you're having such a hard time. Maybe it's time to
look into
a line of business that causes you less stress... <g>
I am numb to stress. You build up a tolerance to stupidity and deal
with it as best you can. You educate yourself and others to try and
reduce the poundings your receive and work towards a better life for
you and your customer, but most continue to be dumb. Therefore,
smarter software is needed to assist the individuals in better art.
"Old school thinking"? How condescending of you to lump the
participants in
"this forum" (which includes some of the best people around in
imaging these
days) as "old school" and "appalling".
It's not meant to be condescending and you are taking it the wrong
way. This is a WAKE UP CALL for change because what we have right now
only works in a closed loop system of individuals. Yes there are all
kinds of very bright people on these forums and are all specialist in
what they do. You listen to them and evaluate what they have to
teach you. Are you listening or just being argumentative?
What does *that* mean? Are you the proponent of a "new school of
thought"?
If so, your presentation is in need of a good editor if you wish to
convince
others of anything in particular.
OK, are you applying for the job? It does not pay much up front to be
honest.
You may want to stop and take a breath, reassess what you are doing
and
thinking, formulate clear ideas and questions that other people are
actually
able to understand -- and then you just might start receiving some
replies
and answers, at long last, besides viewing your work in a new light.
Questions? The only questions I have for anyone is why you think that
people shall learn all this color stuff and what delusional approach
to reality are you living in?
Anyway, I think I best leave this thread behind me, given how it
seems both
to have run aground and to make not much sense for others besides
yourself.
Yes, run away from the Worlds problems is a fine solution and a
typical one because it's easy to do. Go back to discussing color
management "theory" and how great it is within the confines of a
closed mind.
I have tried to add to the discussion, and I hope to have been of
some help,
but I will move on now.
Yes you have been helpful and I thank you for doing so. Have a good
day sir and enjoy your color experiences well.
mo
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