Re: CMYK spaces used for document creation
Re: CMYK spaces used for document creation
- Subject: Re: CMYK spaces used for document creation
- From: "dpascale" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:08:59 -0500
Hello Martin,
Well, I can certainly not blame Adobe for people who do not read their
manuals!
However, because of the importance of color standards, it would be a nice
suggestion to Adobe to add a small configuration screen (a wizard) when
installing asking (and suggesting) the most appropriate color settings.
You say:
I've seen a few Pantone CMYK swatch books or Pantone Solid to Process
books lying around. The consultancies that specialise in branding are
usually careful to pick colours that work across a range of media so are
aware of the web/spot/CMYK issues.
But, generally very little thought is given to the technical issues
involved in printing.
Agreed, this is why I asked the question. It seems that for larger companies
and for those interacting with knowledgeable printers, the defaults get
switched to the latest configuration, irrelevant of what Adobe suggests. For
the others that read the manual, they likely select the proper regional
defaults. Finally, for the last tier, which do not read the manuals and/or
do not have the knowledge to control color management, a simple
color-setting wizard could help.
Peter Nagy also mentioned many will supply work done in SWOP. The default
defaults (double-word intended) would explain this. On the positive side,
even if not ideal and not universally used, this is a well characterized
space. This is better than non-tagged CMYK.
Danny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Orpen" <email@hidden>
To: <email@hidden>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: CMYK spaces used for document creation
On 1 Nov 2009, at 15:46, dpascale wrote:
Based on your experience, what is the CMYK space most used for graphic
design in North-America, Europe, and/or Asia?
Here in the UK the most common colour space that I get supplied is US
SWOP. Why? Because it's the Adobe default -- even when you've paid an
extortionate amount of money for a UK/European localised version...
Why don't the defaults get changed?
1. Because nobody RTFMs.
2. The people who run the creative businesses are old enough to have had
repro people sorting this sort of boring stuff out for them and haven't
realised that they've all been retired/fired.
3. The people whom they employ haven't been taught anything about colour
management in college.
More specifically, I would like to have an idea of the CMYK space(s)
most used when specifying a CMYK spot color for color-accurate work.
If they haven't changed the defaults in Photoshop and InDesign it's still
gonna be SWOP.
I've seen a few Pantone CMYK swatch books or Pantone Solid to Process
books lying around. The consultancies that specialise in branding are
usually careful to pick colours that work across a range of media so are
aware of the web/spot/CMYK issues.
But, generally very little thought is given to the technical issues
involved in printing.
The first warning is usually when I call the designer. Sure they look
great on the FOGRA proof but the fine white hairlines that they've placed
on a 4 colour dark purple background might not do so well on press.
Likewise, the 4pt type that they've specified as a 3 colour warm black or
the 4 colour black and white images that won't match because of gray
balance problems. Not forgetting that all the images will lack impact
because they are never sharpened and they've been downsampled to
thumbnail size from 200MB originals during the PDF creation...
I could go on... and on. It's shameful that today we have greater control
than ever and the ability to accurately simulate the results before the
job ends up on press but still nobody wants to pay for this critical part
of the production process :-(
--
Martin Orpen
Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
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