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Re: PDF Color Space


  • Subject: Re: PDF Color Space
  • From: Todd Shirley <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:12:25 -0400

On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Karl Koch wrote:

David,

if you really want to do it right, you´ll have to do it yourself. I doubt that the designer understands the intricacies of profile conversion.
The right way to do it is a DeviceLink conversion (with the proper DeviceLink).
AdobeRGB as well as sRGB are matrix based profiles and as thus don´t bear rendering intents other than relative colorimetric. Since AdobeRGB is considerably larger than sRGB (especially in the greens), a profile conversion will result in clipping – you´ll lose detail, especially in the green area. E.g. the following AdobeRGB values will all result in the same sRGB values:


AdobeRGB	->	sRGB	->	Lab
 0, 255, 0 	->	0, 255, 0	->	88,  -79, 81
64, 255, 0	->	0, 255, 0	->	88,  -79, 81
128, 255 0	->	0, 255, 0	->	88,  -79, 81

or:
 0, 255, 64	->	0, 255, 20	->	88,  -79, 79
64, 255, 64	->	0, 255, 20	->	88,  -79, 79
128, 255, 0	->	0, 255, 20	->	88,  -79, 79

While a DeviceLink conversion would give you:

AdobeRGB -> sRGB -> Lab
0, 255, 0 -> 0, 255, 0 -> 88, -79, 81 (depending on the settings in the DL)
64, 255, 0 -> 0, 230, 19 -> 80, -73, 73
128, 255 0 -> 4, 248, 0 -> 86, -77, 79


 0, 255, 64	->	0, 224, 78	->	78,  -69, 56
64, 255, 64	->	0, 229, 72	->	80,  -71, 60
128, 255, 0	->	0, 249, 48	->	86,  -77, 73


Hi Karl

What device link technology did you use to get those values? Is this a commercially available DVL or did you make this yourself? If so, how did you make it?

Forgive my presumption, but I doubt David, (or most photographers) have the ability to cook up a custom DVL. I have tools to make Device links but all my tools allow are slight tweeks of a standard ICC conversion, nothing as robust as the numbers you are posting. Please tell!

I downloaded the test file you link to and converted sRBG in Photoshop. I can confirm that there is no difference between perceptual & relative colorimetric rendering, but I also don't see any problem with the conversion that Photoshop does. I don't see any loss of detail or significant color shifting when I convert to sRGB, so I'm not quite sure how a device link would improve this. Can you post a visually compelling example of a device-link doing a better AdobeRGB - > sRGB conversion than photoshop?

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