Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
- Subject: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
- From: Scott Geffert <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:04:01 -0400
Hi Lou,
LIke Andrew Rodney points out it took an awful long time for X Rite to create an updated color product and I think many of us were expecting something that at least had the same utility as the older tools it replaced. There is no serious camera profiling (support for true ICC input profiles and the X Rite DCSG chart), the monitor profiling option has less capabilities than pretty much every other standalone or bundled product, and the UI seems to be way too complex for the casual user and overly restrictive and clunky for the high end user. The color validation tools are far too simplistic. It works well, but it's sort of too little too late.
I personally miss the tools like Profile Editor where I could compare spot colors to newly created profiles etc. During the hiatus I have moved on to fun tools like ColorThink and SpectraShop. There are better individual tools for profiling displays,cameras and printers on the market if you are willing to accept some trade off of "sexy" interface vs quality and productivity.
I am a bit down on X Rite at the moment because I feel that they had literally abandoned the community for so many years after basically killing one of the best companies in the color business (Gretag Macbeth). I feel that X Rite has to deliver a lot more than a few webinars to earn back the respect and hard earned dollars of the community. We should not be forced to buy new software simply for the sake of stability because X Rite could have simply offered a .X update to Profile Maker for far less money. I am also hoping that the tool matures to a more valuable place but I am not holding my breath.
Regardless of the various profiling tools that all work reasonably well, the biggest issues are related to the support of ICC on the Mac OS, iOS, and WIndows. If we cannot reliably print charts with "no color management" or turn off canned profiles for cameras it may not matter what color tools you purchase! While X Rite was asleep (and the ICC to some extent during the same period) the industry has moved dangerously away from open ICC standards towards a "canned" proprietary state. ICC profiling allows the user to control his or her workflow and to drive tools form different vendors to deliver similar results. Anyone who has tried to use a third-party paper in an ink jet printer will tell you how valuable ICC profiling can be. While it took X Rite forever to develop a new solution I guess the good news is that color management is back on people's radar screens.
Scott
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> 1. Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (Louis Dina)
> 2. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (Terence Wyse)
> 3. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (Tyler Boley)
> 4. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (Andrew Rodney)
> 5. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (Tyler Boley)
> 6. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (edmund ronald)
> 7. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
> (Jos? ?ngel Bueno Garc?a)
> 8. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (edmund ronald)
> 9. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
> (Jos? ?ngel Bueno Garc?a)
> 10. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (Terence Wyse)
> 11. hue shift with Photoshop curves (edmund ronald)
> 12. Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves (MARK SEGAL)
> 13. Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish? (G Mike Adams)
> 14. Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves (edmund ronald)
> 15. Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves (MARK SEGAL)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:25:05 -0500
> From: Louis Dina <email@hidden>
> Subject: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> I'm looking for feedback, comments, problems, short-comings, or positives
> about Xrite i1Publish. I'm on a Mac platform and have used *ProfileMaker Pro
> v5.xx, also Monaco Profiler* with an i1Pro UV Cut spectro.
>
> Does the new i1Publish software make noticeably better RGB and CMYK printer
> profiles than either of the other packages? I know it has a few new
> features, but it also requires iterative profiling targets (at least that is
> my understanding).
>
> Any problems with Snow Leopard, glitches, program hanging, program feature
> set, or anything else?
>
> I am specifically looking for feedback comparing the above software. Unless
> the new software is a significant step forward in accuracy, quality, etc, I
> will probably stick with what I currently use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Lou Dina
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:42:33 -0400
> From: Terence Wyse <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
> To: ColorSync User List List <email@hidden>
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> On May 16, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Louis Dina wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for feedback, comments, problems, short-comings, or positives
>> about Xrite i1Publish. I'm on a Mac platform and have used *ProfileMaker Pro
>> v5.xx, also Monaco Profiler* with an i1Pro UV Cut spectro.
>>
>> Does the new i1Publish software make noticeably better RGB and CMYK printer
>> profiles than either of the other packages?
>
> "Noticeably better" is a big word! I would say if you're a PM5 user, yes, you'll see some benefits....but if you're a Monaco user you're not going to see a huge difference. I can *measure* the difference but I'm not sure if I can *see* the difference. :-)
>
>
>> I know it has a few new
>> features, but it also requires iterative profiling targets (at least that is
>> my understanding).
>
> Doesn't *require* iterative profiling targets, in fact you can ignore iterative profiling altogether if you like since it only becomes available once you've built your first profile.
>
> You can use virtually any target you wish for the initial profile....and the iterative patch set you use is highly customizable if you go that route.
>
> Personally, I prefer to call it profile *optimization* as it's not iterative profiling in the "classic" sense of something like ORIS Color Tuner or GMG Colorproof, both of which use a true iterative approach (measure, rinse, repeat...as many times as you like).
>
>
>>
>> Any problems with Snow Leopard, glitches, program hanging, program feature
>> set, or anything else?
>
> So far the stability has been remarkable.....I don't think I've had it crash at all.
>
> On the UI front, the "problems" if you want to call them that boil down to little things like UI "stickiness" of certain pop-up menus and such...nothing major, just annoying. The UI workflow in general....well, you'll either love it or hate it. I started out hating it but then my hate was reduced to mere annoyance and now I'm starting to like it.....but I'm not sure if I'll ever make it to love. :-)
>
>
>
>>
>> I am specifically looking for feedback comparing the above software. Unless
>> the new software is a significant step forward in accuracy, quality, etc, I
>> will probably stick with what I currently use.
>
> Well, one strong case for upgrading is that's likely to be more stable going forward with the new 64bit OS's....I've had a lot of "bouts" with instability with both PM5 and Monaco since upgrading to Snow Leopard....i1Profiler seems very solid in that regard.
>
> Terry
>
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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:51:45 -0700
> From: Tyler Boley <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> I too have been looking everywhere for input on the product from when it
> first shipped. It was so highly anticipated for so long, I'm a bit
> surprised so few reviews are out there at this point. Anyway, Terry is
> far more knowledgeable then I and probably has a more well rounded
> impression of it than I. My use has been mostly CMYKOG, so my
> experiences may have very little to do with the main user base. I did
> make some RGB profiles on a variety of fine art papers in the beginning,
> it went smoothly with no problems and the results were excellent. As
> Terry said those of us already using Monaco Profiler may see no
> practical visual difference, and that is the case with me. I do share
> the same interface concerns others have expressed, but once learned I
> generally ignore that stuff. One ongoing irritation, if I've made a
> profile, then want to make another from another existing measurement set
> and drag it in then go to next steps... it doesn't replace the last
> built profile name with the now relevant measurement data name... many
> rename at that point anyway, but it does pop the measurement file name
> in when starting from scratch, so seems like it should when doing the
> next as well..
> The RGB profiles probably improved little with optimization, but
> possibly would have if the 1st round charts had been small, I just did
> it anyway. CMYKOG however, seems to require the optimization to clean up
> the neutral axis, 1st round is not that good in that regard even with
> 2000+ patch charts. Optimized look good. I have other issues with the
> CMYKOG settings as well, but they are probably outside the scope of
> these initial impressions for most people and I'm waiting for support
> feedback.
> I'm using it on 10.6.7 with an Isis and have had no crashes. I have had
> some error problems during profile builds that I can't nail down yet and
> the alerts give no info at all. Anyone wanting to know more about the
> CMYKOG problems or have experience that may help just ask, but at this
> point I'm hoping there can be progress as version 1.0 support issues.
> That's all I got...
> Tyler
>
>
> Louis Dina wrote:
>> I'm looking for feedback, comments, problems, short-comings, or positives
>> about Xrite i1Publish. I'm on a Mac platform and have used
>> *ProfileMaker Pro
>> v5.xx, also Monaco Profiler* with an i1Pro UV Cut spectro.
>>
>> Does the new i1Publish software make noticeably better RGB and CMYK
>> printer
>> profiles than either of the other packages? I know it has a few new
>> features, but it also requires iterative profiling targets (at least
>> that is
>> my understanding).
>>
>> Any problems with Snow Leopard, glitches, program hanging, program
>> feature
>> set, or anything else?
>>
>> I am specifically looking for feedback comparing the above software.
>> Unless
>> the new software is a significant step forward in accuracy, quality,
>> etc, I
>> will probably stick with what I currently use.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:55:54 -0600
> From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
> To: ColorSync Users Mailing List <email@hidden>
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> On May 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>
>> I too have been looking everywhere for input on the product from when it first shipped. It was so highly anticipated for so long, I'm a bit surprised so few reviews are out there at this point.
>
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/x_rite_i1profiler_review.shtml
>
> Andrew Rodney
> http://www.digitaldog.net/
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:13:13 -0700
> From: Tyler Boley <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> yeah Andrew, I got that, back then. That and Keith's are about it, and
> pretty much confined to the reviewer's particular activity. Nothing
> since, or more in depth.
> Tyler
>
>
> Andrew Rodney wrote:
>> On May 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I too have been looking everywhere for input on the product from when it first shipped. It was so highly anticipated for so long, I'm a bit surprised so few reviews are out there at this point.
>>>
>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/x_rite_i1profiler_review.shtml
>>
>> Andrew Rodney
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> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:35:55 +0200
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> I just put up an item on my color blog, but it doesn't contain much new
> information.
>
> http://photofeedback.blogspot.com/2011/05/i1profiler-xrites-new-software-shows.html
>
> The software has a nice interface, but there are no real "killer features"
> if you have one of the previous pro packages and like it. I think however
> that it's a no-brainer to upgrade from i1Match, especially at some of the
> prices indirectly linked to in my blog.
>
> Edmund
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Tyler Boley <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> yeah Andrew, I got that, back then. That and Keith's are about it, and
>> pretty much confined to the reviewer's particular activity. Nothing since,
>> or more in depth.
>> Tyler
>>
>>
>> Andrew Rodney wrote:
>>
>>> On May 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I too have been looking everywhere for input on the product from when it
>>>> first shipped. It was so highly anticipated for so long, I'm a bit surprised
>>>> so few reviews are out there at this point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/x_rite_i1profiler_review.shtml
>>>
>>> Andrew Rodney
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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:41:52 +0000
> From: Jos? ?ngel Bueno Garc?a <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> You can follow a webinar at X-Rite if you want to see de UI:
> "Professional Color Control with New X-Rite i1Profiler Software hosted
> by Tom Ashe"
>
> Jose Bueno
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:46:11 +0200
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
> To: Jos? ?ngel Bueno Garc?a <email@hidden>
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> And look here for "advanced printer profiling" video
> http://vimeo.com/22046901
>
>
> 2011/5/17 José Ángel Bueno García <email@hidden>
>
>> You can follow a webinar at X-Rite if you want to see de UI:
>> "Professional Color Control with New X-Rite i1Profiler Software hosted
>> by Tom Ashe"
>>
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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:50:44 +0000
> From: Jos? ?ngel Bueno Garc?a <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> Or you can download http://tinyurl.com/6c4m5xl
>
> and test
>
> El día 16 de mayo de 2011 22:41, José Ángel Bueno García
> <email@hidden> escribió:
>> You can follow a webinar at X-Rite if you want to see de UI:
>> "Professional Color Control with New X-Rite i1Profiler Software hosted
>> by Tom Ashe"
>>
>> Jose Bueno
>>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:13:28 -0400
> From: Terence Wyse <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
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> On May 16, 2011, at 6:35 PM, edmund ronald wrote:
>
>> he software has a nice interface, but there are no real "killer features"
>> if you have one of the previous pro packages and like it. I think however
>> that it's a no-brainer to upgrade from i1Match, especially at some of the
>> prices indirectly linked to in my blog.
>
> Those "special prices" should be going away soon....if I were some of you, I'd be rushing over to MacMall or PCMall and place your order. I know that X-Rite has been made aware of those bogus prices by some of it's resellers and is working to correct it.
>
> Terry
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 02:16:56 +0200
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
> Subject: hue shift with Photoshop curves
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> Hi Guys -
>
> Every time I use the PS curves tool in RGB mode I see thing shift in hue. I
> don't want a hue shift, I expect a perceived brightness shift at the same
> hue. This is CS5. WTF?
>
> Edmund
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves
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> Is it hue or saturation shift you are seeing?
>
> Would the problem be solved by making tone adjustments in Luminosity mode and
> use a separate Curves Adj layer for colour adjustments in Color Mode? If you use
> Luminosity mode you'll miss some of the saturation boost you get in Normal mode
> (we are accustomed to some saturation boost as brightness increases so colour
> doesn't look washed-out), so you'll likely need a Vibrance or HSB Adj. layer to
> complement it.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
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> Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 8:16:56 PM
> Subject: hue shift with Photoshop curves
>
> Hi Guys -
>
> Every time I use the PS curves tool in RGB mode I see thing shift in hue. I
> don't want a hue shift, I expect a perceived brightness shift at the same
> hue. This is CS5. WTF?
>
> Edmund
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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:32:30 -0500
> From: G Mike Adams <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Any comments or feedback on i!Publish?
> To: Terence Wyse <email@hidden>
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> They revise their EULA and I'll buy their product. Until then I don't think I can make a living on fifty profiles a year.
>
> I'm curious how you're dealing with the EULA, Terry.
>
>
> Mike Adams
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>
>
> On May 16, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Terence Wyse wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 16, 2011, at 6:35 PM, edmund ronald wrote:
>>
>>> he software has a nice interface, but there are no real "killer features"
>>> if you have one of the previous pro packages and like it. I think however
>>> that it's a no-brainer to upgrade from i1Match, especially at some of the
>>> prices indirectly linked to in my blog.
>>
>> Those "special prices" should be going away soon....if I were some of you, I'd be rushing over to MacMall or PCMall and place your order. I know that X-Rite has been made aware of those bogus prices by some of it's resellers and is working to correct it.
>>
>> Terry
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 02:37:56 +0200
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves
> To: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
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> what I don't get (me naive) is that from PS7-CS3 I never noticed such a
> thing
>
> Edmund
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:24 AM, MARK SEGAL <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Is it hue or saturation shift you are seeing?
>>
>> Would the problem be solved by making tone adjustments in Luminosity mode
>> and use a separate Curves Adj layer for colour adjustments in Color Mode? If
>> you use Luminosity mode you'll miss some of the saturation boost you get in
>> Normal mode (we are accustomed to some saturation boost as brightness
>> increases so colour doesn't look washed-out), so you'll likely need a
>> Vibrance or HSB Adj. layer to complement it.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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>> *From:* edmund ronald <email@hidden>
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>> email@hidden>
>> *Sent:* Mon, May 16, 2011 8:16:56 PM
>> *Subject:* hue shift with Photoshop curves
>>
>> Hi Guys -
>>
>> Every time I use the PS curves tool in RGB mode I see thing shift in hue. I
>> don't want a hue shift, I expect a perceived brightness shift at the same
>> hue. This is CS5. WTF?
>>
>> Edmund
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:50:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves
> To: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
> Cc: "'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List"
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> Oh my goodness yes - there used to be heated discussions of this issue -
> especially in the ColorTheory ListServe some years ago. I wrote a couple of
> pieces on the matter you can find on Luminous-Landscape.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
> To: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
> Cc: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List <email@hidden>
> Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 8:37:56 PM
> Subject: Re: hue shift with Photoshop curves
>
> what I don't get (me naive) is that from PS7-CS3 I never noticed such a thing
>
> Edmund
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:24 AM, MARK SEGAL <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> Is it hue or saturation shift you are seeing?
>>
>> Would the problem be solved by making tone adjustments in Luminosity mode and
>> use a separate Curves Adj layer for colour adjustments in Color Mode? If you use
>> Luminosity mode you'll miss some of the saturation boost you get in Normal mode
>> (we are accustomed to some saturation boost as brightness increases so colour
>> doesn't look washed-out), so you'll likely need a Vibrance or HSB Adj. layer to
>> complement it.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ________________________________
> From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
>> To: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List <email@hidden>
>> Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 8:16:56 PM
>> Subject: hue shift with Photoshop curves
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys -
>>
>> Every time I use the PS curves tool in RGB mode I see thing shift in hue. I
>> don't want a hue shift, I expect a perceived brightness shift at the same
>> hue. This is CS5. WTF?
>>
>> Edmund
>>
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