Re: bus count and channel info confusion
Re: bus count and channel info confusion
- Subject: Re: bus count and channel info confusion
- From: Frank Hoffmann <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:35:46 +0200
Ups, sorry. I wonder how this could happen, but a copy and paste error
happened. Urs corrected it the right way. Thanks.
1. Mono Audio Effect
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {1,1} [updated uh]
2. Stereo Audio Effect:
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {2,2} [updated uh]
and I want to add an additional Music Device I forgot:
13. A Music Device with two stereo outs like Korg Wavestation for
example.
Input Bus Count: 0, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 2, not writeable
Channel Info: {0,2}
Frank
On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:43 Uhr, Aristotel Digenis wrote:
Hello,
I am new to CoreAudio and am not very clear on this matter either.
However I have noticed the following on your list of examples.
Shouldn't the Channel Info for example 1 be {1,1} and Channel Info for
example 2 be {2,2}? Or perhaps I am more confused about this topic
than I realized.
Aristotel Digenis
Frank Hoffmann wrote:
During development of our host implementation, I found that there is
a big confusion between plug-in and host developers according the
right settings of busses and channel infos with the Audio Unit
format. I think the documentation provided in the newest SDK is not
really clear and needs some clarification. Another problem is that
Apples reference host Logic doesn't follow the standard yet from what
I understand. I would like to find a clarification of how this should
work. Since the CoreAudio team is listening, I am sure all open
issues or false statements can be corrected. I want to compile a
list of all possible situations and create a cookbook from it. I left
out formats that feature more than two channels, like 5.1 for now.
Please add additional useful configurations that I might have
forgotten.
Here is my list of scenario, bus description and channel infos with
comments. I only added samples of real life situations I found.
1. Mono Audio Effect
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {2,2}
2. Stereo Audio Effect:
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {1,1}
3. Audio Effect with the ability to do Mono in Mono, Mono in Stereo
and Stereo in Stereo processing
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {1,1}, {1,2}, {2,2}
4. Audio Effect with any ability to process any number of channels
where the number of input channels has to be equal to the number of
output channels
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {-1, -1}
5. Audio Effect with the ability to process any number of channels
where the number of input channels has not to be equal to the number
of output channels
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {-1, -2} or {-2, -1}
7. Audio Effect that processes stereo only, but has a side chain
input that can be mono or stereo.
Input Bus Count: 2, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: Not possible to describe
8. Stereo Synth (Music Device)
Input Bus Count: 0, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {0, 2}
9. Music Device that can output Mono or Stereo
Input Bus Count: 0, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {0, 1}, {0, 2}
10. Music Device that can output Mono or Stereo and has a side chain
input, which can be mono or stereo
Input Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Output Bus Count: 1, not writeable
Channel Info: {0, 1}, {0, 2}, {1, 1}, {1, 2}, {2, 1}, {2, 2}
11. MusicDevice that can configure its Outputs according to user
settings like LinPlug RM IV, Native Instruments Kontakt, Steinberg
Halion 3, etc.
Input Bus Count: 0, not writeable
Output Bus Count: X, not writeable
Channel Info: No ChannelConfig provided. This is a special case
described in IOChannelConfigurations.rtf.
X is the number of Output Busses configured in the GUI of the
plug-in. If the setup reads two stereo and two mono outs, then X
would be 4. X would be 4 as well, if the user has setup four stereo
outs and zero mono outs. The host will read the stream formats of all
busses and does change only the sample rate. For rendering the host
iterates over all output busses and renders each output buffer
seperatly with the channels found in the stream formats.
Question 1: Is it legal to send a property notificaiton to the host,
that the number of busses changed? If yes, then the host should
uninitilaize the Audio Unit, negociate the new setup with the plug-in
and initialize it again?
Question 2: Is it legal to render all channels on bus 0? The above
example with two stereo and two mono busses. Is it legal to setup a
stream format with 6 channels on bus 0? I think no, because the
plug-in can't say which channels are mono or stereo. The host has no
idea about mono and stereo in this case as well.
12. Audio Unit that is able to serve a fixed number of channels
configured in selectable mono or stereo pairs. Example: Native
Instruments Reaktor.
Input Bus Count: X, WRITABLE
Output Bus Count: Y, WRITEABLE
Channel Info: {-N, -M}
N and M are the number of channels the plug-in can serve on input and
ouput busses. The host will set X and Y according to its needs and
set the stream formats for the X and Y busses as required using max N
channels for the input busses and max M channels for the output
busses in total. Rendering will be done for every bus for one time
slice seperate with the number of channels setup in the stream
formats.
Note that it is never legal to use 1 or 2 for N or M.
I found many plug-ins that feature a single stereo out but have a
output bus count of 2. Most plug-ins I am aware of implement
multi-outs by providing ChannelConfigs like {0,8} with an output bus
count of 8 to describe 4 stereo outs. This is totally wrong to my
understanding and how I interpret statements by Bill Steward on this
list. Maybe I am wrong, so please correct me. There is definetely a
need to sort this out.
I've compiled the list and questions fromt he CoreAudio SDK 1.3.1,
the CoreAudio mailing list and experiences with Audio Unit plug-ins
and Logic.
Frank
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