Re: we were opensource, once
Re: we were opensource, once
- Subject: Re: we were opensource, once
- From: Finlay Dobbie <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:34:24 +0100
On 6/27/05, Markus Hitter <email@hidden> wrote:
> > Having clear patches to core code such as samba and openldap
> > (opendirectory)
> > would also go a long ways. Finally, shipping a self-hosting
> > development
> > environment (out of the box) would be a requirement to truly bring
> > darwin back to where you feel it once was.
>
> There's nothing stopping the Darwin community to develop such things.
> But how would you build a strong community around a closed, deaf and
> mute cathedral?
Another major problem with the self-hosting thing is that a lot of
Darwin projects have moved over the past few years to being first PBX
and now Xcode-based. Xcode is not open-source. There is no real way to
build an Xcode project without Xcode, and creating the tools to do so
is a fairly unattractive proposition because:
- Xcode is a moving target (project file format changes in a
non-backwards compatible way with some regularity - just see how many
different filename extensions we've had in the pat 4 years: pbxproj,
pbproj, xcode, xcodeproj)
- the audience that would benefit from such tools is small
- Apple engineers may or may not be working on their own solution to
this problem in secret (although unlikely, Xcode has always had far
bigger problems which undoubtedly keep the team fully occupied)
- divining the steps taken by Xcode to build a given project is fairly
laborious and uninteresting
I did take some steps towards this goal a while back, but in the end I
assigned other, more personally interesting projects a higher
priority.
And Xcode is heavily dependent on closed source technologies. Cocoa,
for starters.
-- Finlay
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