Re: [Fed-Talk] Someone Trying to Unsubscribe Me?
Re: [Fed-Talk] Someone Trying to Unsubscribe Me?
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someone Trying to Unsubscribe Me?
- From: "Mark A. Bienz" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:00:28 -0400
It happened to me as well.
On Oct 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Mike Pike wrote:
> That's funny :) That usually only happens to me when I go off on my tangents.. someone tries to unsubscribe me... I haven't seen anything controversial out of you lately so I wonder what's going on?? Maybe the ghosts get out early this year?
>
> Mike
>
> On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC wrote:
>
>> So apparently someone is trying to unsubscribe me from the list? It's not me
>> and it's not Halloween yet for ghosts to do it...sooooo???
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marcus, Allan B [mailto:email@hidden]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:56 PM
>> To: Villano, Paul A CIV USARMY TRADOC (US); 'Dave Schroeder'; Walls, Bryan
>> K. (MSFC-EO50)
>> Cc: Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US); email@hidden
>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> Sorry, Okay.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Allan Marcus
>> 505-667-5666
>> email@hidden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/12 5:07 AM, "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC"
>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks, please spell out your acronyms for we uninitiated. :)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden] On
>>> Behalf Of Dave Schroeder
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:39 PM
>>> To: Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50)
>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
>>>
>>> Bryan,
>>>
>>> Looks cool! Out of curiosity, why did you do your own MAM app? Had you
>>> considered solutions like EASE and AirWatch?
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50) wrote:
>>>
>>>> NASA is currently delivering several iOS and Android apps for
>>>> internal
>>> use. Currently we serve them from a website (http://apps.nasa.gov). One
>>> is the apps@NASA apps that is an appstore for the internal apps. The
>>> apps generally aren't useful unless you have NASA credentials once you
>>> have the app.
>>>>
>>>> The are compiled with the NASA Enterprise license. If another agency
>>> wanted to distribute an app, they could work with the developer to
>>> recompile the code with that agency's cert, I'd think. Not sure how
>>> hard that would all be. There would need to be some other changes to
>>> the code to make them relevant, anyway (like changes in the
>>> authentication setup, at least, and what servers are being accessed).
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Mike Pike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If that is an option that would be great... I cannot see apple
>>>>> giving up
>>> control of an entire app store platform, but if so that's great!
>>>>>
>>>>> The new apple developer agreement states we can no longer advertise
>>>>> other
>>> apps in our apps that are not our own apps... this will basically kill
>>> Admob and other competitors to iAd (and in my opinion AdMob is much
>>> better for the little people)... while not relevant to Federal at this
>>> point, who's to say someday those draconian policies won't start
>>> affecting what we can develop in house?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm waiting for some enterprising state or the DOJ to file a
>>>>> complaint
>>> with the FTC on a monopoly on apps stores with apple, following the
>>> same precedence as Internet Explorer did with Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should have the option to choose app stores (apple App store,
>>>>> Cydia,
>>> other third parties). The app store itself is nothing more than a web
>>> browser, and I think that with the IE/Microsoft and Windows Version N
>>> it could be viable legal challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> As iOS grows (if it continues to grow under its current leadership)
>>>>> it
>>> will become more and more of a monopoly. The terms of the developer
>>> agreement get more and more restrictive, and as you move into a space
>>> that Apple wants to dominate, they will not allow your app on the phone
>>> (look at new Google Search with Voice).
>>>>>
>>>>> the enterprise App store solution bypasses Apple's review process,
>>>>> but at
>>> the same time limits who you can share apps with... but keep in mind
>>> Apple can change the terms of that at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>> So lets say an agency has an app store, and another agency wants to
>>>>> use
>>> their app, they cannot unless they are on that agency's private app
>>> store, or you build an ADHOC app, which is limited to 100 devices per year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google Android allows multiple App stores... but again, unless
>>>>> someone
>>> from the DOJ or one of the states challenges the App Store monopoly and
>>> makes the comparison of splitting browsers to operating systems it
>>> won't change... Microsoft's WP7 and WP8 would also be a target, as they
>>> are locking that OS down to a single store as well. Google would have
>>> to be the one to push for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Loftin, Kathy (CONTR) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that is now an option with Good; I just pinged our
>>>>>> rep
>>> to confirm and, if I am correct, to ask for more details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>>>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mike Pike [mailto:email@hidden]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:49 AM
>>>>>> To: Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
>>>>>> Cc: Loftin, Kathy (CONTR); William Cerniuk; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV
>>>>>> (US); email@hidden
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe the app store is an enterprise app store via apple. I do
>>>>>> not
>>> think it's possible to have an app store that is not sponsored by Apple...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is I would like to know as well :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kathy We're developing apps and have distributed some Ipads but I
>>>>>>> didn't know it was possible to set up our own "store." Can you
>>>>>>> give me a detailed walkthrough of how you do that using the Good
>>> software??
>>>>>>> (Either by responding to the list if there's interest or to me
>>>>>>> personally?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: William Cerniuk
>>>>>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're using the Apple Volume Purchasing Program for now (on GFEs).
>>>>>>> If/when we allow BYOD, I imagine we'll probably do the same. The
>>>>>>> Service Desk has an Apple ID they use to load and manage the
>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>> With BYOD, we will need to make sure we can delete any
>>>>>>> government-purchased apps (thus freeing up the license for a
>>>>>>> different
>>> user) while not wiping the entire device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're using Good as our MDM. It lets us set up our own app store,
>>>>>>> but since we don't have any internally developed apps at this
>>>>>>> time, we aren't using that feature. The Good MDM does let us see
>>>>>>> all the installed apps (even outside of the Good sandbox) and I
>>>>>>> believe we'll be able to use it for the above-mentioned BYOD issue
>>>>>>> at some point, to actually manage them; for now we haven't really
>>>>>>> explored
>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as an FYI, we don't have GFE Androids as yet. Again, if we
>>>>>>> start allowing BYOD, I think we'll end up with quite a few of those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>>>>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: William Cerniuk [mailto:email@hidden]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:35 AM
>>>>>>> To: Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)
>>>>>>> Cc: Mike Pike; Joel Esler; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US);
>>>>>>> email@hidden
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great info, thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How are you handling software? Has the organization figured out
>>>>>>> an efficient way to provide software that the organization needs
>>>>>>> users to have on their BYODs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> R/Wm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, "Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)"
>>>>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have about 400 GFE iPads - out of an 8000 customer base in my
>>>>>>> organization. Lots of people are starting to use them instead of
>>>>>>> Blackberries. If we ever start allowing BYOD, I imagine this number
>>> will
>>>>>>> grow quite a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>>>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>>>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>>>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+kathy.loftin=email@hidden
>>>>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+kathy.loftin=email@hidden]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mike Pike
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:03 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Joel Esler
>>>>>>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you keep it to just federal equipment iOS will be almost
>>>>>>>> eliminated
>>>>>>> from discussion and the number of macs shrink exponentially by the
>>> month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The list will die.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a federal related question:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many people have a government provided iOS device? I have an
>>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>> device on government networks but its personally owned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Joel Esler <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it's outside the charter, then it should stop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know I've been participating in some of it lately, and I'll stop.
>>>>>>> Hopefully people will follow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Taylor Armstrong
>>>>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For what it is worth, I'm 100% in agreement with Matthew.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm on multiple mailing lists, forums, etc. This is where I go
>>>>>>>>>> to look for things that apply to the Federal workspace, but at
>>>>>>>>>> leas
>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 the traffic in recent months seems to be little different
>>>>>>>>>> from the traffic on any number of Apple user forums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, we all need to see/discuss things, but if we're talking
>>>>>>>>>> about our personal equipment, etc., then let's talk about it
>>> somewhere else.
>>>>>>>>>> The signal/noise ration in the FedTalk forum has gotten worse
>>>>>>>>>> recently - there are TONS of great resources for general OS X
>>>>>>>>>> and/or iOS discussion, but this is one of, if not the ONLY one
>>>>>>>>>> that should be dealing specifically with Federal .gov
>>>>>>>>>> implications - FISMA, encryption, policies, CIS Benchmarks, etc
>>>>>>>>>> etc. Wading through discussions of personal experiences on
>>>>>>>>>> non-govermnent owned equipment makes it harder to find the
>>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>> topics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my 1/50th of $1...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And yes, I CAN hit delete... but should I have to? Those
>>>>>>>>>> topics are outside of the charter of this list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Taylor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA
>>>>>>>>>> TRADOC <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, Mr Sullivan. And that is exactly why we need to be
>>>>>>>>>>> discussing these things on the list NOW, before a General
>>>>>>>>>>> Officer sees the shiny new iThingy and says he wants one for
>>>>>>>>>>> official business. These devices and the software they use are
>>>>>>>>>>> "disruptive innovation." It's not enough to wait until they
>>>>>>>>>>> hit the supply chain. We must know BEFORE then. And the only
>>>>>>>>>>> way to tell for ourselves whether the various reports are true
>>>>>>>>>>> or not are to use them ourselves before the General gets one.
>>>>>>>>>>> And the only way we can do that is to use our own personal
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences since the DoD is on the verge of Bring Your Own
>>>>>>>>>>> Device.
>>> (Which is best? Why or why not?
>>>>>>>>>>> Which provider has provisos we can't use in DoD? Which is a
>>>>>>>>>>> better vendor? What are the limitations of the software,
>>>>>>>>>>> device,
>>>>>>>>>>> network?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The discussions are important not for the moment for official
>>>>>>>>>>> use but in the very near future as we advise the command and
>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>> Soldiers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>> fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden.
>>>>>>>>>>> c om] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: email@hidden
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't Fed-Talk for actual important information like how to
>>>>>>>>>>> make things work and support each other with Mac, iOS issues
>>>>>>>>>>> where actual FED work is involved. There are hundreds of other
>>>>>>>>>>> more appropriate venues to banter about how awesome or useless
>>>>>>>>>>> the new iPhone is or how awesome or useless the new iOS Maps are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew Sullivan
>>>>>>>>>>>
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