Re: New to webobjects
Re: New to webobjects
- Subject: Re: New to webobjects
- From: mmalcolm crawford <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:53:49 -0700
On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 05:41 AM, John Bruce wrote:
I don't want to go ever and over this point but in my original post I
did
suggest starting at the first main tutorial. The reason I suggested
looking
at the D2W docs was that from my own experience it was some time
before I
even knew what D2W did, even in a vague sense, until I read Max
Muller's
article on stepwise some time ago. Yes D2W is hard to understand - I
still
don't understand a lot of it - but on the other hand if I didn't try
to use
it I couldn't do half the things I can now, especially in short
timeframes.
And again, this is IMHO not something for a complete novice to try to
get their heads round.
Knowing Java is of course a big step in the WO process but it's hard
to get
the Java for WO book as it's not on apple's site anymore - well not
that I
can find it. Maybe it could be posted onto wocode.com or something.
[Mike Little wrote:
Since the individual in question has very limited programming skill,
perhaps we should steer her towards introductory Java programming
texts just so she can prove to herself that she has the aptitude to
get started with WebObjects?
]
I put a pointer to Apple's "Java for WebObjects Developers" in my
original post:
<http://homepage.mac.com/mmalc/Docs/java4wo.pdf>
It is a little out of date, but still gives an excellent introduction.
Hopefully it will get updated soon. If anyone has any suggestions for
how it might be improved, please feel free to let me know, and I'll
pass them on to Apple...
Anyway my point is that IMHO it's important to be aware of D2W earlier
rather than later
I wouldn't disagree with that; but IMHO there's a point at which it can
be too early.
Scott Ellsworth wrote:
A major point of contention for many people I have talked with is the
use of Foundation, rather than java.util, objects. I can see why they
did it, but it causes a bit of torque to new users.
We'll have to see what Apple does in the future on this. One goal of
WO 5 was to provide, as much as possible, a pure-Java implementation of
the WO 4.5 APIs. I suspect that removing the Foundation classes would
have diverged too much.
email@hidden (Anjo Krank) wrote:
The original post asked, "Anyone got any ideas for good places to
start for newbies?" WebObjects "Classic" is a large framework to
understand just by itself. I would suggest that it is well nigh
impossible to understand, and customise, a DirectToWeb application
without understanding WebObjects first...
Very true.
Not quite: it simply depends on the amount of customisation you want.
If only involves the order or items and a few other things, you may
well get along without any greater knowledge of WO and D2W. The
assistant work very well for this. And, with changing the MenuWrapper,
you might integrate a custom flow in it.
The context seems to have been lost. "I would recommend against that
unless you're absolutely sure that all you will ever do is create CRUD
apps." You can certainly tinker with D2W, notably using the Assistant,
knowing almost nothing about the rest of the environment, but as soon
as you start creating custom components etc. you have to know something
about WO...
mmalc
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