Re: Is WO doomed?
Re: Is WO doomed?
- Subject: Re: Is WO doomed?
- From: "Jonathan Fleming" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:38:41 +0100
From: Numair Faraz <email@hidden>
To: jim <email@hidden>
CC: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Is WO doomed?
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:13:07 -0700
Every year, people sit around and wonder to themselves, "will WebObjects
die? Will something come along and do things better?"
Nothing does, people waste time that they could have saved by using
WebObjects (and actually learning it *well*, which is extremely hard to
do), and the world goes on producing mediocre web software projects which
will eventually need to be scrapped and replaced by projects built with one
of two things - either something that is a blatant ripoff of WebObjects, or
WebObjects itself.
Do what you want. I am sure there are lots of people using WebObjects
who'd actually rather that others never figured out how to use it, because
that would afford them a competitive advantage. WebObjects is what happens
when you put a lot of really smart, creative people in one place, have them
think about the question that is "we have cgi-scripts and the like, but
what is the future of the web", and give them enough resources to create an
end product with the answer to this question. I dare you to find any other
web application server technology created in such an environment.
In order to become a good WebObjects developer, you don't have to simply be
a good programmer - you have to be extremely smart, open-minded, and
patient; the state of our economy (at least in the US) is a testament to
the fact that there are very few such individuals out there, even fewer who
know how to program, and even fewer given the permission to do what they
want. So perhaps you are right.
If anything is certain, it's that Apple appears to have given up on trying
to explain to others why they need WebObjects. They know they have the
first and best web application server in the world, they know it affords a
competitive advantage, and they don't care if you notice. If they had to
hold your hand while teaching you how to use WebObjects, you wouldn't be
someone who'd truly understand it anyway. Apple's internal initiatives
alone are reason for them to keep maintaining the product; I would almost
say that external adoption is simply a nice perk.
Sorry for the irritation. I just know this - I've been exposed to the
absolute smartest, most logical people working on web applications via
WebObjects. They could have made great architects (the real ones, not the
fake software title), but for some reason they decided to pick up software.
Even if Apple dropped support of the product TODAY, these are people who
would figure out how to make it work. Because good software is like a
well-built building - you don't throw it away, you renovate.
And really, that's all that matters.
-numair
Well said I like that.
Me, I'm no magical software programmer, more a mere humbled developer (if I
can call myself that - I'm still in the copying stage), but I wouldn't
choose any other program to achieve the humble little programs I've created
through webObjects. fact is, when I was doing more web designing than
developing, I search about good and plenty before I came across Apple's web
Objects and yet I was a Mac man from the start - never knew Apple had this
secret weapon. When I understood what it could do it was like all my IT
dreams come true practically. And as hard as it is to master this kit,
master it I wish to.
If webObjects was shelved today, myself, along with plenty of others would
be fervant die hard fans who just wouldn't let it die... how can it, it's
ever evolving, moving with the times and cross referencing with languages
and OS platforms.
Jonathan ;^)
Remember this: APPLE IS ABOUT INNOVATION NOT DECIMATION
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 05:17 PM, jim wrote:
I understand the replies so far, but nothing encourages confidence.
Jim
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 06:36 PM, Art Isbell wrote:
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 12:04 PM, jim wrote:
I am not at the developer conference and am attempting to figure how WO
fits into the future of Panther Server..... In all the literature I see
no mention of WO. This includes Xcode.
Most of the the Xcode features discussed apply mostly to ObjC/C++/C
(i.e., Cocoa) rather than Java development. The Java compilers supported
by PBX are from Sun and IBM, so Apple doesn't seem to have as much
control over them as they do over the ObjC/C++/C compiler, gcc. So while
Xcode does claim to support Java, I suspect that Java development won't
be much different behind the scenes than it is with PBX, although the
Xcode GUI seems to be quite different.
My question is that the fact that there is little mention of WO with OSX
Panther Server. Will WO be supported under Panther Server?
I would be VERY surprised if it didn't.
Aloha,
Art
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