Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
- Subject: Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
- From: Christopher Pavicich <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:56:43 -0500
Mike:
Sorry to hear that you had to ditch WO. That pretty much sucks. We have
been lucky enough to dodge that particular bullet. A couple of years
ago there was a push to replace our
apps with WebSphere. My employer spent <AN OBSCENELY LARGE SUM OF
MONEY> for a solution that had an average uptime of about 7 minutes.
One Apple developer (working alone, locked in a dark closet) using WO
managed to outstrip an entire IBM team with regards to functionality
and reliability. Guess which solution went into production? I truly
wish you the best of luck.
Maybe with Apple's recent push into the Enterprise market, we will see
more marketing. The XServe and XServe RAID are really compelling.
Coupled with WO they are killer. But, only Apple knows what they will
do, and they are pretty quiet on this front. We can only hope for the
best.
I have nothing but respect for the Wonder team. They have written some
great code. It would be ~really~ cool to see some of it folded into WO
itself.
--cmp
On Jan 17, 2004, at 23:42, Michael Parlee wrote:
I've been down this thread more than once this year. My company
recently ditched WebObjects because "no one is using it. [...therefore
what we build with it will be unsupportable]." (whatever :-( ) I
don't know why Apple doesn't market WO and I've given up asking why.
Your mention of iTMS reminds me of another open source - wo project
that's important to mention. ProjectWONDER
(http://wonder.sourceforge.net/). Max Muller just posted a job
listing at Apple for a iTMS developer. He is looking for someone with
experience with ProjectWONDER. The fact that Max is posting the job
and looking for ProjectWONDER experience strongly suggests that
ProjectWONDER a big part of the iTMS. It's open source and it adds a
tremendous amount to WO/EOF (think D2W on steroids... and more).
BTW, I second your opinion. I would LOVE to hear about how iTMS was
built and I would love to see Apple use it to market WO.
Mike
On Jan 17, 2004, at 8:03 PM, Christopher Pavicich wrote:
They just wrote an amazingly successful music store in record time
with a handful of developers. If anything iTMS should be used as a
marketing prop for WO.
--CMP
On Jan 17, 2004, at 22:51, Ed Leafe wrote:
On Jan 17, 2004, at 8:55 PM, Michael Parlee wrote:
WO/EOF is a great tool and I still prefer it over the other tools
I've tried. I don't really agree that making it open source is the
answer though.
Maybe an independent company that can run with it, instead of
Apple's approach of benign neglect. It really doesn't fit in with
Apple's direction, so perhaps spinning it off into a separate
company, like they did with FileMaker, might be the kick it needs to
really take off.
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Ed Leafe
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