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Re: Future of WebObjects?
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Re: Future of WebObjects?


  • Subject: Re: Future of WebObjects?
  • From: Karl Gretton <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:20:07 -0700

We got a very clear statement from Apple that WO is NOT going away. Many, many presentations are about what Apple has done with WO in the last couple of years and that they are committed to it long term.

The message is clearly that they have had other priorities over the past 3 years with the whole transition to MacOS X and stabilizing the core and new APIs but that they are committed to integrating WO more closely with their tools (Xcode).

They have also been very clear that if you develop using WO on a non-MacOS X platform then you are basically on your own and that their current tools are unlikely to be updated for Windows.

There have been many sessions here introducing people to WO and presenting WO technology. There is one this afternoon that features using WO as the environment for developing Websites on MacOS X.

So I think that we got useful information to confirm that WO is a well supported technology that will keep pace with the advancements on the Java and MacOS X platforms. We expect to see Xcode 2.0 support (which will eventually replace EOModeller and also add some nice object modelling features) and support for Java 1.5.

I would have been pleased to hear an announcement that they were updating all the components to be XHTML compliant and providing a new WOBuilder. That didn't happen.

Other than that, everything looks great to me.

Karl

On 1-Jul-04, at 8:49 AM, Lotsa Cabo wrote:

Don,

If I may, i don't think anyone is expecting an announcement from Apple
regarding WebObjects.  At least for me, and the people that I have
heard from, what I think people want are straight answers.  To
paraphrase one of the guys from last night, if he spent $3000 to head
to WWDC and directly asked someone if WebObjects will be around
tomorrow, he should be able to get a straight answer.

On the other hand, historically Apple has never been the type of
company to announce anything before it's golden.  So, for anyone to
expect them to change just because they paid for a flight out to the
west coast... well... that just ain't  gonna happen.

I think anyone will begin to get a bit anxious if any person or company
they had a relationship with remained quiet all of the time.  It's like
telling someone you have a juicy secret but that you're not gonna tell
them.  Right or wrong, people will eventually come to their own
conclusions and start to predict what is going to happen.

I think most of us just want some open communication and understanding.
  Sure, sign some confidentially agreements or put other security
measures in place if you need, but say SOMETHING.  Even, if they just
give a general statement to say that a certain technology is NOT going
away... anything!

Again, I don't think anyone wants an announcement, per se; just a clear
yes or no as to whether or not they can continue to bank on certain
technologies.

R/S
Ryan
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On Jul 1, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:

There has been a lot of discussion lately about the total lack of
WebObjects
news from Apple at WWDC. This got me wondering a bit as to what
everyone was
expecting. I have been using WebObjects since 3.5 back in 1997.

Since Apple migrated to full Java support in 5.x they have been able to
leverage all of the technology being brought forward by the Java
community.
Our WO apps use JMS, XML (not the WebObjects provided APIs), XSL, RSS,
PDF
generation, Microsoft Excel generation, reading Word files, etc. We
have
never been slowed down because of lack of WebObjects implementation of
a
particular technology. If Apple doesn't provide it - someone else on
the
planet does!!


So what announcements were people expecting from Apple regarding WO? A
new
version of Xcode - who cares I use Eclipse with great satisfaction.
Some new
features in the API's? If I can't find a feature or function in the
Apple
API, the new Java 1.4x API is very full featured and useful.

The fact that WebObjects has supported Servlet deployment since 5.x
has made
the fact that native deployments on Linux can't be easily done totally
mute.
I have never been a fan of Monitor. I would much rather give my
customer a
WAR or JAR file and let them deploy my app on any platform they have a
J2EE
Servlet engine on. Then the discussion with the IT department of
whether I
am using WebObjects is also mute - I am a J2EE application!

Bottom line - Apple is not a tool company like Borland, but they have
some
kick ass APIs and technologies (WebObjects, EOF, Quicktime,
Rendezvous, etc)
that are far ahead of the rest of the pack. Accept the fact the
WOBuilder
and EOModeler suck, use Dreamweaver or notepad and Eclipse/ANT/WOLips.


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