Re: Off Topic : XCode, Java and Code Completion
Re: Off Topic : XCode, Java and Code Completion
- Subject: Re: Off Topic : XCode, Java and Code Completion
- From: Ulrich Köster <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:32:45 +0100
Am 25.03.2004 um 07:03 schrieb steve stout:
Ok... the ever recurring Eclipse vs. Xcode thread. Eclipse has got
some pretty nifty features--from what I've seen of it, but it's got a
horrible interface. And it's a bit slow. And scroll wheels don't
work. And how the hell do you set up WOProject/WOLips anyways? I've
never found a decent getting started manual. (I haven't looked very
hard tho). Any suggestions?
There's no step three. Download Eclipse, invoke the update manager,
point it to the objectstyle update site and off you go. Okay it's not
that easy.
http://objectstyle.org/woproject/wolips_install.html
At the point Eclipse and WOLips are installed you can access the
Eclipse and WOLips help in Eclipse.
We provide 24/7 support: http://objectstyle.org/woproject/lists.html
Ulrich
And Xcode is getting better. Like that Monty Python ... "I'm not dead
yet! I'm getting betta!"
.steve
On Mar 24, 2004, at 10:38 PM, Thomas wrote:
I've never used Eclipse (although I've used a few other Java IDEs),
but it seems to me that one of the most important features of
WebObjects as a web application development environment (as opposed
to a Java programming environment) is its ability to rapidly generate
powerful applications without having to write much code. I try to
avoid code as much as possible, even though I'm quite competent as a
Java programmer, because I believe I'm more productive that way and
because it is much more self-documenting than code, with the page
layout and bindings being a very powerful form of documentation. I'm
trying to approach zero lines of code per day!
I swear at WOBuilder every day because of its long-standing unfixed
bugs, but I'd swear much louder and longer if I had to rebuild the
project every time I made a tiny change in WOBuilder. Xcode is a
perfectly adequate tool for me for WO development. Code completion
works fine for me, although it would be nice to have it work with the
built-in Java classes as well.
Of course YMMV, but I just wanted to point out that there are more
important things than quickly writing lots of lines of code.
Thomas
On 25/03/2004, at 13:45, James Cicenia wrote:
Well for my two cents... I was a complete newbie when I started my
project and I have to say that
I am very pleased with Eclipse. Mind you it has some idiosyncrasies
but I have learned to deal with
them in my own idiosyncratic methods. I still can't figure out how
to search all my files including the
wod files. Chuck do you know how? Also, I do have to rebuild when I
edit my wod files in WOBuilder.
Finally WOBuilder doesn't always see all the new methods in my
subclasses. Other than that it has
worked like a charm and has only crashed once on my Powerbook and we
are talking 12 hours days
of use.
-James
On Mar 24, 2004, at 8:22 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
Where shall I start. It crashes more than Eclipse. The indexing
is painful and serves no function that I can discern. It loves to
cache out of date things in the build directory so that builds fail
on out of date problems. The project file format is too complex to
fix by hand when problems happen. The whole targets and build
configuration thing is a byzantine nightmare. Try WOProject and
Ant. You'll never go want to go back. Code completion blows. The
auto/re indent works better than Eclipse though. I hate waiting for
it to build. Eclipse stays build with every change. It is always
ready to run. Clumsy configuration of launch parameters. The
debugger is lacking. Eclipse shows errors on the fly as you type.
It has an integrated class browsers that does not hide things that
Apple thinks you should not see. xCode was not built to build Java
(or WO apps). I could go on but I've work to do.
Chuck
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