Re: WebObjects 5.3
Re: WebObjects 5.3
- Subject: Re: WebObjects 5.3
- From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:56:39 -0700
On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Karl wrote:
Well it is great news. Good to have WO as part of the mainstream
MacOS X tools.
Yes, I agree. This does indicate very clearly that Apple intends to
move WO forward and is putting some resources behind it.
The legal response was very clear today from Apple:
WO 5.3 is only SUPPORTED on MacOS X 10.4.
Nothing has been done to stop it running on anything else. Indeed,
the licenses now no longer check for platform specifics.
There are two things that make me nervous here. One is that unless
they state that they won't do otherwise, Apple can make the license
platform specific in the future. Second, while technically feasible,
deploying on unsupported platforms is a hard sell to customers.
Development is free but only on MacOS X.
And the OS X only part should not come as a surprise. Apple has
clearly been moving in that direction.
Deployment requires a license. The only way to buy a license is a) to
get it free with Xserve or b) to buy MacOS X Server - US$499 for 10
client (no impact on WO so why pay $999 for unlimited?)
So it is all excellent. US$100 price cut for deployment if you are
not on Mac hardware and free dev seats.
And for those using xServes, it is fully free. Not quite open source,
but the next best thing - freeware closed source.
What is there not to like about that? Also, WOBuilder does a nice job
now too...and, of course, requires MacOS X.
There is lots to like here. WO is free on the most cost effective
platform. The aging tools have been updated. WO has been brought into
xCode and is being moved forward. Even if I am not overly fond of
xCode for Java, this is a very positive move for WebObjects. If some
of the more vexing bugs in xCode 1.x have been eliminated I might even
start to grudgingly tolerate it ;-) Still, I find the deployment
scenario troubling. It is not that I really want to deploy on anything
other than an xServe. Far from it - xServes have been great for us.
But having a cross platform Java web based solution that is supported
only on one platform is going to make it a harder sell. You have
vendor lock-in in on the software libraries and the hardware. For a
lot of shops, that is going to be a big, red flag.
Chuck
On 7-Jun-05, at 10:23 PM, Cliff Tuel wrote:
would you mind asking someone from Apple for us so that we can get
some sort
of official statement on that licensing bit (where can I deploy, on
what
platform,
We're engineers, not lawyers. The license agreement, shown when you
install
5.3, should speak for itself. We're not here to give you legal
advice.
do I still need a license
Yes.
why does Apple still sell 5.2 in its online store...)
Which reminds me, just an hour ago I saw a boxed copy of 5.2 for sale
at the
San Francisco retail store!
P.S. I hope everyone appreciates the major point of 5.3: it's now a
part of
the mainstream developer tools, and from now on will get the
attention and
visibility it deserves. WebObjects is no longer a second-class
neglected
technology. I think that's outstanding news!
--
Cliff Tuel . http://apple.com/services/technicalsupport
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