Re: Time out!
Re: Time out!
- Subject: Re: Time out!
- From: Karl <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:53:05 -0700
I am in the same position, Deepak. I looked at Entity Modeler a few
weeks back. Now, as of WWDC, its come an amazingly long way and
demonstrates to me how much faster the community can evolve these
types of tools. That is why I believe that Apple-supplied tools will
soon become irrelevant.
Download Eclipse and follow the instruction on the WOLips site to
install the plug-in. Just open an existing project and off you go. I
also do not miss WOBuilder since WOLips now seems to do a very good job.
Now what is that Preview tab going to be used for in WOLips?
Karl
On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Deepak Nulu wrote:
Hi Karl,
Thanks for your response. I am not hoping for replacements because
the Apple tools might disappear suddenly. I am hoping for
replacements because the current Apple tools are not the best they
can be, and because Apple won't be enhancing them if they are going
to be deprecated. Only in the past couple of threads I learnt about
the existence of Mike's Entity Modeler. I will be checking that out
soon.
--deepak
On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Karl wrote:
Deepak,
You don't need to worry about WOBuilder or EOModeller or Xcode or
Rule Editor or WOALauncher going away right now. The tools are
deprecated. They will not go away any time soon.
When Apple deprecates something, they are simply telling us that
they are no longer investing in the tool, product, API or
whatever. Take the Quicktime C API. For years now it has been
deprecated and Apple have been telling us not to use it. It still
works just fine. Apple won't make it a 64-bit API because they are
not investing in that technology and it has long since been
replaced by QTKit.
Take Classic as an example. Its the compatibility mode introduced
in 2000/2001 with the beta and first releases of Mac OS X. It is
deprecated but still works on PowerPC-based Macs. It was not
ported to Macs running on Intel (although Apple clearly could have
done this if they felt there was a need).
Apple has not said that they are going to stop shipping the
deprecated tools with Xcode. They are still shipped with Xcode
2.4, which has just been released and I have no reason to suspect
that Apple will stop shipping them in their deprecated state for
some years to come. They won't improve them nor will they fix the
bugs. And if they need to make another big transition some time in
the future - say to another processor or something equally radical
- and these products won't work, then they may stop shipping them.
But when will that be?
Already, WOLips and Mike's Entity Modeler do a better job than
EOModeler and the Xcode build system. The community will rapidly
evolve these tools and others, such as Rule Modeler and other yet-
to-be-invented products and make the old Apple tools irrelevant.
So if you are comfortable with Xcode and the various classic WO
tools, go ahead and use them. I expect them to be around for some
years but do not expect to be using them myself for much longer.
Its been nice knowing you Xcode / EOModeler / WOBuilder but I think
that our time together is rapidly coming to an end.
Karl
On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Deepak Nulu wrote:
On Aug 12, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Am 12.08.2006 um 22:45 schrieb Deepak Nulu:
I am not a fan of manually editing the wod files. I was
impressed when I first saw drag-and-drop bindings in WOBuilder
(even though I am used to it since Nextstep days with
InterfaceBuilder; I just did not expect it for a web-based UI
builder :-). So I stick with WOBuilder and EOModeller (you just
need to have XCode up and running in the background) and do
everything else in WOLipse/Eclipse.
Well good luck...
Currently I am only dabbling in WO and am not writing any serious
or production level stuff. The luck I am hoping for is that there
will be WOBuilder and EOModeller replacements before I start doing
any serious or production level stuff :-).
I would like to contribute to the replacement effort (coding), but
can't do so right now. I spent a lot of my spare time learning WO,
and I really don't feel like learning yet another framework
(Eclipse) now :-). That, and my spare time is disappearing fast.
I'll try to contribute ideas, and in the future, code as well.
--deepak
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