Re: WebObjects Foundation
Re: WebObjects Foundation
- Subject: Re: WebObjects Foundation
- From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:04:36 -0700
On Aug 19, 2006, at 12:27 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
I concur +5
Every time I dip into the php waters I am amazed at all the
available source/solutions !!!!
Ecosystems seem to start around Content Management Systems. Maybe
this is GVC?!
GVC.SiteMaker is what I assume you mean. Keep in mind that this was
originally designed for Academic publishing for non-technical users.
There are many definitions of what CMS means and GVC.SiteMaker may
not meet yours.
If so we should all rally around it and start making plugins,
guides, installers, etc.
We just seem to need one seed where we can get consensus to rally
around.
At present, the source is open but the development is not. We (GVC)
are acting as gatekeepers to maintain the integrity of the design and
source.
Chuck
On Aug 19, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Arturo Pérez wrote:
Excellent and amazing comments all.
Having gone against management to use WO and having had to explain
many times to the ignorant J2EE/Struts/Hibernate crowd I have one
humble suggestion.
Build complete opensource solutions based on WO. For a system
with such fantastic ease of use in creating webapplications there
is a complete vacuum of turnkey solutions for various things.
Blogging:
Where's a WO-based solution for blogging? We all know we could
build one in a few weeks with WO and Wonder. So why isn't there one?
Content Management:
There are so many content management applications out there,
where's the opensource WO-based one? (Yeah, I know, GVC just came
out).
Project Management?
Bug Tracking?
Anything that needs a database to function properly. Media
galleries (video, audio, photo). Inventory/asset management
systems. CRMs. PIMs. School information systems (that's what I
was working on in my spare time). We need to provide and eat our
own dog food. Subsystems even: authentication, authorization,
etc. Having watched this list for the last 6-7 years, why do we
still get people asking how to make a login app, for chrissake?!
I think when one looks at the software market and can see 50
(admittedly lousy) blogs written using J2EE and none using WO then
the conclusion is obvious.
We need to opensource more WO stuff, we need to make a massive WO-
SourceForge and then I think we may get some traction akin to what
RoR gets.
Wonder is an excellent framework. Now let's make some excellent
applications/solutions to really show off what we can do. Then,
when people see the things that just cannot be done as well or as
easily with other technology, they will really take notice. IMHO,
the only reason J2EE has as much momentum as it does is because
there are tens/hundreds of thousands of developers contributing
slowly and painfully to it. Can you imagine what a WO-based
solution suite would be like if it had that kind of manpower
thrown at it?
-arturo
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