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Re: State of WebObjects
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Re: State of WebObjects


  • Subject: Re: State of WebObjects
  • From: Paul Lynch <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:20:42 +0100


On 28 Jun 2006, at 22:08, Miguel Arroz wrote:

Rails is an interesting contender, and I'm glad to see a new well designed framework on the field. But it is still very young and has a long way to go before it equals the richness of WO.

1 month = 30 * day... rails has some funny stuff, but lacks the "serious" stuff...

You mean "fun", not "funny". That's a common misuse of English that is cropping up on lists more and more recently.


I tend to dislike the "oh look, it's sooooo easy" frameworks that are growing like mushrooms out there. Considering that a month is 30 days is not simplification... it's ridiculous! This way I also can write many frameworks! :) My point is, rails is simple, rails allows you (and specially, people who know almost zero about programming) to make something work in 30 minutes.

I'm going to disagree with the initial point of this. WO and Rails take exactly as long as each other to get started with your first working app. The "learning curve" is more or less the same for both technologies. Rails is most emphatically NOT simple; it is a complex framework, exactly as it should be. The tradeoffs between Rails and WO are there, and general opinion here gives WO the edge still; search this list for a couple of good comparisions between the two.


But when things start to become more complex, rails will not support you like a serious framework like WO does. WO is like Cocoa, it requires to to learn a bunch of stuff before staring. After staring, you have to learn even more. But then you start evolving and creating some really clever solutions to your complex problems in as easy, straightforward and, most important, ELEGANT way, that other frameworks simply cannot achieve.

Complexity and ease of understanding are important points; someone without an OO background cannot begin to grasp the significance of MVC, for instance.


Paul
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