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Re: WOBuilder Replacement
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Re: WOBuilder Replacement


  • Subject: Re: WOBuilder Replacement
  • From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:20:44 -0700

Hi Clark,

Thank you for a reasoned response in what has become a rather feisty thread!


On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Clark Mueller wrote:

I was one of those who raised his hand - but honestly, I no longer feel the same way, so it's even fewer than those few. Having digested some of this discussion going on for the past several days, I've arrived at the conclusion that, as many people have indicated, the current WOComponent editor helps me be more productive than I ever was with WOBuilder. The pros for me that make WOBuilder irrelevant are things such as:

* Autocompletion is fantastic. This is already a deeply ingrained part of my regular WOLips development workflow (I've only even been using WOLips for about nine months), so it extends easily for me to the WOD editor. Once I have a good grasp of the layout of the data I am modeling in a component, it's much faster than digging through the list of bindings in WOBuilder to figure out what I want to connect.

* The latest, absolutely kick-ass round of refactoring features have made it so much easier to deal with my old, WOBuilder-built components that I might have ordinarily been tempted to open WOBuilder for. In a single click, I can convert all the ugly WOBuilder generated names to something much more meaningful, and the end result is that I don't have to go spelunking in my own code to figure out what's going on. I haven't opened WOBuilder at all since this surfaced, and even before then, it was an infrequent event.

* Since I've been using WOLips, my component code ends up looking MUCH cleaner, simply because I have to look at and edit it all the time. That also makes me come off better to the people who actually like to admire others' HTML. Almost the only thing that is a bit of a headache for me is building tabular data views and whipping up the initial layout of forms. I often mock up the code for these with Dreamweaver and copy/paste, so I wouldn't mind seeing some alternative function in WOLips to accelerate that common task, but that's certainly not something I can't live without, either.

That strikes me as an excellent suggestion! I do most forms with divs now, but it is still the same painful process getting the scaffolding laid out. Something to kickstart this might be quite useful and may not take too long to make. Think on how this might work and file a suggestion here: http://issues.objectstyle.org/jira/ secure/Dashboard.jspa


In the meantime, have a look at AjaxGrid in Wonder's Ajax framework. It is driven from a plist file (for which I may write a nice editor one of these days) and makes tabular data views quick and easy to create.

Chuck



* The WOD editor doesn't exhibit all of the bugs that WOBuilder does.

So at the end of the day, would I pay "real money" for a graphical tool that does all this, except with eye candy? Possibly - I'd even go as far as to say "probably". But it also definitely doesn't fit into the category of a must-have.

Clark

On 5 Jul 07, at 6:30 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

I asked at WWDC who would pay "real money" (granted, an unspecified amount) for a WOBuilder and VERY few hands went up in a pretty large room of WO developers.

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References: 
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: Jean Pierre Malrieu <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: Jean Pierre Malrieu <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: Simon McLean <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: "Jerry W. Walker" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOBuilder Replacement (From: Clark Mueller <email@hidden>)

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