Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment
Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment
- Subject: Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment
- From: Lachlan Deck <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:24:51 +1100
On 20/01/2008, at 6:52 PM, Johan Henselmans wrote:
On 20 jan 2008, at 01:21, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 19.01.2008, at 15:11, Johan Henselmans wrote:
I planned it to only use it for the backend application to add
products and product categories, and uploading pictures of the
products. That's it. just give a feel of DirectToWeb. Explain the
rule system, and how to customize a part. The other stuff would
be normal WebObjects stuff. Sorry if my phrasing was not precise.
The fulfillment and the statistics would make use of the other
tools.
In my opinion you should definitely tell the readers that they
need a very thorough understanding of how WebObjects works to use
D2W without too much frustration. I use it a lot and often enough
it still drives me nuts.
We are talking about a tutorial getting a beginner up to steam,
undersand the user interface, let him/her see what kind of tools
there are, and have a proper working structure to enhance in the
end. We'll leave it as an exercise to the WODocumentation people to
enhance that for the intermediate level developer...
I agree. If you start your tutorial by saying that "you'll need a
deep understanding of WO/EOF that'll take you 5 years or so before
you touch D2*" they'll never come back.
If someone needs more help than is available via a tutorial, that's
what a mailing list is for. Then the problems become simpler to solve
for the newcomer because there'll be archives of the same beginner
questions.
Keep that in mind: you show a beginner something and you have to
tell him: it will drive you nuts if you haven't worked with WO for
a while to understand how to read source, how to read components,
even how to get the BugTracker example even starting!
The same is true of EOF/WO. They'll still shoot themselves in the
foot for a while.
Given the lack of tutorials around these days, Johan, I say 'well
done' for what you're attempting to do...
I totally agree that D2W is a wonderful technology, but I know how
hard it is to get past the simple stuff. And today, web developers
have to provide more than just simple forms.
I disagree that you need to be able to have a tutorial that gives you
this. I haven't done any RoR tutorials that provided something
beautiful in the end... just an example/introduction to the
technology is adequate. Otherwise, you'd never finish writing the
tutorial in the first place.
Write it up, enhance later.
with regards,
--
Lachlan Deck
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