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Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment
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Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment


  • Subject: Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment
  • From: Lachlan Deck <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:24:51 +1100

On 20/01/2008, at 6:52 PM, Johan Henselmans wrote:

On 20 jan 2008, at 01:21, Guido Neitzer wrote:

On 19.01.2008, at 15:11, Johan Henselmans wrote:

I planned it to only use it for the backend application to add products and product categories, and uploading pictures of the products. That's it. just give a feel of DirectToWeb. Explain the rule system, and how to customize a part. The other stuff would be normal WebObjects stuff. Sorry if my phrasing was not precise. The fulfillment and the statistics would make use of the other tools.

In my opinion you should definitely tell the readers that they need a very thorough understanding of how WebObjects works to use D2W without too much frustration. I use it a lot and often enough it still drives me nuts.

We are talking about a tutorial getting a beginner up to steam, undersand the user interface, let him/her see what kind of tools there are, and have a proper working structure to enhance in the end. We'll leave it as an exercise to the WODocumentation people to enhance that for the intermediate level developer...

I agree. If you start your tutorial by saying that "you'll need a deep understanding of WO/EOF that'll take you 5 years or so before you touch D2*" they'll never come back.


If someone needs more help than is available via a tutorial, that's what a mailing list is for. Then the problems become simpler to solve for the newcomer because there'll be archives of the same beginner questions.

Keep that in mind: you show a beginner something and you have to tell him: it will drive you nuts if you haven't worked with WO for a while to understand how to read source, how to read components, even how to get the BugTracker example even starting!

The same is true of EOF/WO. They'll still shoot themselves in the foot for a while.


Given the lack of tutorials around these days, Johan, I say 'well done' for what you're attempting to do...

I totally agree that D2W is a wonderful technology, but I know how hard it is to get past the simple stuff. And today, web developers have to provide more than just simple forms.

I disagree that you need to be able to have a tutorial that gives you this. I haven't done any RoR tutorials that provided something beautiful in the end... just an example/introduction to the technology is adequate. Otherwise, you'd never finish writing the tutorial in the first place.


Write it up, enhance later.

with regards,
--

Lachlan Deck
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