Re: A WebObjects article on Appleinsider
Re: A WebObjects article on Appleinsider
- Subject: Re: A WebObjects article on Appleinsider
- From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:09:12 -0400
seriously? I remember the exact inverse statements being made when,
only four-ish years ago, they tied WO's release schedule back into
the main development tools. I think it's good news, but hopefully
it means that they'll stop developing their unnecessary deployment
that virtually nobody uses and focus on the frameworks instead.
Oh, you mean that deployment style virtually everybody but a few
folks are using should be dropped?
I've since reinterpreted Bill's comment to mean "everyone in the world
of java" not "everyone in the world of wo" ... And I would agree with
that, and there are technologies that are actually very similar to
pieces of the WO deployment system that would be worth investigating
to find the ideal solution to this problem. We're really in no
different of a position than something like Rails is, except that we
actually have a "nice" gui for managing clustering whereas everyone
else is hand editing apache files. If you look at modern rails
deployment, you'll find a pretty similar progression to what WO has
(cgi, fast cgi, mod_proxy_balancer, custom apache module, etc). I
don't think deploying in a J2EE container is necessarily the best
solution, and in fact makes deployment HARDER in many cases (it's kind
of nice that you can just run your main method and get a running
server ... there's a lot of value in that that should not be
discounted). I would love to see war deployment not suck and be less
clunky -- I think switching to jar frameworks probably makes a lot
more sense for j2ee deployment, for instance.
I've said it before -- Our zero state story is crappy: how do you get
wo, how do you start making wo apps, how do you launch them, how do
you debug them, how do you deploy wo, what if you are deploying to an
environment that doesn't have wo installed. Once you get your
environment going, these things MMMMooossttllly sort of kind of work
right. But getting from zero to there sucks, and I believe every
single one of those can be made better.
ms
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