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Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
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Re: WebObjects become opensource ?


  • Subject: Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
  • From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:47:19 -0400


Le 09-09-14 à 09:19, Will Scheidegger a écrit :


On 14.09.2009, at 15:00, David Avendasora wrote:

"Because with WO the project will be done faster with more features than if we use something else."

That used to be the reason why we worked with WO. But in the WO world on _could_ say that the only thing that has evolved in the last few years are the development tools. ;-)
But as always: If you have a hammer everything looks like a nail. If you're used to WO development, I'm sure you're much faster than if you would have to do the same in any other technology... However, claiming that WO is still the fastest and most feature-rich way to get a problem solved is a
bold statement nowadays.

I must agree with this, the only recent (and by recent, I mean in the last 4 years!) comparaison made between WO and others was made by Mike (differences between RoR and WO) a couple of months ago, that's all.


In all the debates of open-vs-closed source, free-vs-paid, java-vs- ruby, etc, the thing that always seems to get lost is also the most important thing: what gets the job done better, for less money? A business makes money off doing their business - and unless you are a consulting company, that business is NOT writing and maintaining code. If a technology helps them do that faster, more efficiently and for less cost, then it should be seriously considered.

1. I did not use the word "open source" once in my post.
2. Businesses want their investment to be safe. Remember: Apple dropped the IBM processors because they said that IBM could not provide them with a roadmap on how things are going to look like in a few months or years. Has anyone _ever_ seen anything like a road map from Apple?


Although we loved the WO technology, we now moved everything except one of our solutions to the open source world.

I am curious to know which technologies you moved to and how you feel they compare to WebObjects. What was the tangible value that your company gained by moving to the new technology(ies)? Are you now more profitable with fewer developers than you were with WO?

Yes. And I'll tell you an other secret: I can finally find developers to hire.
It does not matter what other serious technology/framework/etc. you're comparing WO with, the picture is always the same:

And the 2008 survey confirm that this is a problem, and this is why we need more tutorials, more WOWODC and a tool to let people post jobs offer on wocommunity.org. All of this is on my todo :-/


http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/struts.do
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/webobjects.do

Don't get me wrong, I don't think WO is the best solution for everything, and it is certainly harder to find WebObjects developers with experience than a J2EE or Rails dev. I just have yet to hear someone make a compelling argument for moving away from WO based on reduced cost, increased developer productivity, increased profitability, etc.

Don't get ME wrong, we did not move away from WO because we were bored. ;-)


-will
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References: 
 >WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Stephane Guyot <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Tim Worman <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Mike Nowak <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: David Avendasora <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Mike Nowak <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: David LeBer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Massimiliano Picone <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Gustavo Pizano <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Guido Neitzer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Will Scheidegger <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: David Avendasora <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WebObjects become opensource ? (From: Will Scheidegger <email@hidden>)

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