Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- Subject: Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:47:19 -0400
Le 09-09-14 à 09:19, Will Scheidegger a écrit :
On 14.09.2009, at 15:00, David Avendasora wrote:
"Because with WO the project will be done faster with more features
than if we use something else."
That used to be the reason why we worked with WO. But in the WO
world on _could_ say that the only thing that has evolved in the
last few years are the development tools. ;-)
But as always: If you have a hammer everything looks like a nail. If
you're used to WO development, I'm sure you're much faster than if
you would have to do the same in any other technology... However,
claiming that WO is still the fastest and most feature-rich way to
get a problem solved is a
bold statement nowadays.
I must agree with this, the only recent (and by recent, I mean in the
last 4 years!) comparaison made between WO and others was made by Mike
(differences between RoR and WO) a couple of months ago, that's all.
In all the debates of open-vs-closed source, free-vs-paid, java-vs-
ruby, etc, the thing that always seems to get lost is also the most
important thing: what gets the job done better, for less money? A
business makes money off doing their business - and unless you are
a consulting company, that business is NOT writing and maintaining
code. If a technology helps them do that faster, more efficiently
and for less cost, then it should be seriously considered.
1. I did not use the word "open source" once in my post.
2. Businesses want their investment to be safe. Remember: Apple
dropped the IBM processors because they said that IBM could not
provide them with a roadmap on how things are going to look like in
a few months or years. Has anyone _ever_ seen anything like a road
map from Apple?
Although we loved the WO technology, we now moved everything
except one of our solutions to the open source world.
I am curious to know which technologies you moved to and how you
feel they compare to WebObjects. What was the tangible value that
your company gained by moving to the new technology(ies)? Are you
now more profitable with fewer developers than you were with WO?
Yes. And I'll tell you an other secret: I can finally find
developers to hire.
It does not matter what other serious technology/framework/etc.
you're comparing WO with, the picture is always the same:
And the 2008 survey confirm that this is a problem, and this is why we
need more tutorials, more WOWODC and a tool to let people post jobs
offer on wocommunity.org. All of this is on my todo :-/
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/struts.do
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/webobjects.do
Don't get me wrong, I don't think WO is the best solution for
everything, and it is certainly harder to find WebObjects
developers with experience than a J2EE or Rails dev. I just have
yet to hear someone make a compelling argument for moving away from
WO based on reduced cost, increased developer productivity,
increased profitability, etc.
Don't get ME wrong, we did not move away from WO because we were
bored. ;-)
-will
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